Salary ranges in SL for Club Managers

What do managers of SL clubs make a week? And why is it such a secret that none of the want ads include salaries in the listings? (At least none that I've read yet.)

Prolly cause they make nothing?

As a general rule, employers don't like publishing salary information.
There are a few reasons for this.
One is that if they don't publish it, they can 'negotiate' with you (read: attempt to give you as little as possible, once they know you already want the job).
Another is that they don't want you to be able to compare what they pay with what the competition pays. It is rather like getting a mobile phone - the deals on offer are intentionally very confusing, it is the company's way of getting a good deal.
A last one is that it would make the gap between the people at the top and the people at the bottom (which can be VAST) very obvious, which is bad for company morale.

There are some companies that publish info as to what their staff earn, however, in SL, it is most likely that the reason they don't publish the info is that pretty much every job in SL is unpaid volunteer work. RL companies are more likely to do it for reasons of self-interest, whereas SL 'companies' are more likely doing it as they can't afford to pay people anything

Phew! .. and there was me thinking it was just me getting old .. thanks for clearing that one up Angel x

Rocky's question is really good.
I've seen several well designed clubs fail becuz their owners didn't have enough time to devote to keep them running. The clientele melted away. Now perhaps the personality of the owner was key to initial success, and there's no guarantee that 'hired help' would have been able to keep the club running as well, but, still, seems like it would be worth a shot. And I noticed in another thread, a suggestion that retailers hire staff to answer shoppers' questions. Its the same problem that Rocky is facing--how much is 'staff' worth? (and managers )

So let me expand on the original question:
Suppose I wanted to 'hire' someone to help me in my club or store...nothing too technical, just keep order, answer questions, etc.
1. Is there a 'minimum wage' in SL? I suspect it would be MORE than camping pays!
2. Do others work out a 'profit sharing' arrangement? (at a shop, for example, where a 'tip jar' is inappropriate, would a Paid Worker expect a percentage of sales as well as salary?) At a club, would a percentage of the Sploder be a 'commission'?
3. Are there 'Performance Bonuses' for traffic? For example, if a paid manager organized a 'free event', and attracted 50 visitors...thus creating 'good will' for a store or club, would that be worth a 'bonus'? and how big?

Contact me (email or ingame) if you'd like a script for tip jars or vending machines, where the manager gets a cut of each payment. The manager would clock in when starting work, and could be automatically clocked out when leaving the area.

Cheers,
Jeff

maybe the club businessmodel is overrated...

Maybe people should worry a bit less about making money in SL and just have fun...

Morwen.

Rocky is on to something here...
Is there a way to replace Campers with Service?
If I pay 5 campers $12L/hour to sit around my store, would I be better off paying ONE manager $60L/hour to talk to customers and help them out?

<Yes, there's a lot more required to make the 'Better Service' business model work, but the first step is a functioning 'labor market'.>

What are fair and reasonable 'wage rates' in SL?

I didnt know you could make money here i thourght that L$s had no real value lol

Maybe they worry about making money because LLs proclaim this to be the place to make money, rather than have fun first. The emphasis is on the fact that u can make money here and cash it out and until people wake up and realise there is NO QUICK MONEY to be made here we will see people suffering from the same stresses they allow themselves in the real world when they cant make enough money to pay the bills

Just my L$2's worth

Happy Xmas all

YES, this is a game. and we're here to have fun.
And NO, at L$30 / hour, (for example) NOBODY is gonna get rich.

But here's the issue: the 'currency' of the game is the Linden.
Noobs need Lindens to buy that one Linden box of 'freebie' clothes and go-karts.

You need Lindens to pay your tier--or to buy that awesome new skin.
Not everyone has enough { talent / interest / time } to script or build something salable.
But would they spend an hour a week online talking to customers? Some would.

Does that make it a 'job' with all the stress that entails? Maybe, but maybe not. Perhaps its just a way to spend an hour online talking to folks and meeting new people, and OBTW putting enough Lindens in your pocket to go tip your favorite DJ.


and:
MERRY CHRISTMAS to all, See you In World!

If they want a Second Boring Life, please let them have the stress. I'm amazed, really, at how fast people build their own jail when they are given freedom. Should better shut their PC down and make the same money by sparing electricity and DSL cost.

Btw, LLs does *not* proclaim this to be the place to make money. Media does. LL says "Have Fun".

That's what money trees and signup bonuses and stipends are for.

At an hour a week, it's going to take QUITE a while to get an "awesome" skin.

Well, whatever kink people enjoy...I can see running your own club, but working in somebody else's for cents per hour? This whole "job" impulse has to be some kind of power exchange roleplay -- like BDSM only more sublimated.

I guess if I set up a store that sells scripted tax returns that you can spend hours filling out, or a matchmaking setup so people can roleplay each other's annoying relatives, I'd get rich. Gee, that sounds like work, I believe I won't bother!

You can't honestly believe that anyone who has any sense of what L$ is worth is going to work for 20 cents an hour? They'll treat it like a high pay-out camp chair, log on, then walk off and do something else.

You can't pay anyone their time's worth on SL, unless they find some kind of enjoyment in doing it in which case that's the major reward and the money is just a little side perk.

On the other hand, you can look at your sales records and see who's regularly spending quite a bit of money at your store. Those people already have a strong affinity for your brand or they wouldn't come to you, they'll be enthusiastic and motivated about your products and probably don't need much prodding to promote or help.
From your side you can give them your entire inventory as no transfer, which doesn't actually cost you a single L$ while they get free "something" from a brand they obviously care about and save money by not having to buy it.

Good points, Kitty.
/me ponders the meaning of it all...

LOL I can envision a student at an Internet cafe in Asia or South America doing just that, logged on to their free account, using the L$ to pay rent on their pad. Perhaps while they're "managing" they'll also be writing scripts or IM'ing their friends.

Here's the answer you're looking for:

If you want to be a club manager than any offered compensation should be good enough.

If you don't want to be a club manager, but are looking for work and for money... then charge what you would a RL job...

A lot of clubs pay a cut of the profits, in the region of 25% usually. However, 25% of nothing is still nothing, and very few clubs actually make any money (and that even includes escort clubs too).