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nimrod Yaffle
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11-17-2006 11:41
Seriously... what happened to the tight grasp of it?
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Lucifer Baphomet
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11-17-2006 11:45
The self copying Copybot threads have tired Strife out.

Resmod burnout is a serious issue nimrod.
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Sunspot Pixie
dread heliotrope
Join date: 15 Jun 2006
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11-17-2006 11:47
Apparently. And apparently you agree because you aren't asking your fellow players for help with a legitimate problem you are having with SL. You're using it for your own personal reasons too - to whine about it.

Don't you have something better to do than cruise the forums complaining about people complaining about a problem YOU helped greatly to make worse with your lying, back-stabbing and greedy behavior? If that isn't irony, I don't know what is.
Lucifer Baphomet
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11-17-2006 11:50
Seriously though... the sheer volume of posts in the last few days, and Strife appeared to be the only active resmod.
I often disagree with Strifes judgements, but lets face it, the poor bugger has been snowed under these past few days.
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nimrod Yaffle
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11-17-2006 11:52
From: Lucifer Baphomet
The self copying Copybot threads have tired Strife out.

Resmod burnout is a serious issue nimrod.

That's why they should rotate them... even though they refuse to.
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Poppet McGimsie
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11-17-2006 11:57
From: nimrod Yaffle
That's why they should rotate them... even though they refuse to.


are you that famous nimrod yaffle who seems to be the baba dude or what?
Sunspot Pixie
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11-17-2006 11:58
From: Lucifer Baphomet
Seriously though... the shreer volume of posts in the last few days, and Strife appeared to be the only active resmod.
I often disagree with Strifes judgements, but lets face it, the poor bugger has been snowed under these past few days.

Oh I agree, and I wonder if his presence here was directed by a Linden(s) or not. I have my doubts, especially because of the absence of other resmods as you have noted.

I think the lack of Linden presence and/or a concerted resmod effort probably indicates that LL is allowing it for the most part for pressure relief reasons. Obviously the blog is not handling it and the format sucks for the type of discussion that's been going on here.

That said, would probably be more effective for Nimrod to ask in Linden Answers, or to PM or email them. Creating another off topic thread about off topic threads doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
nimrod Yaffle
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11-17-2006 13:05
From: Poppet McGimsie
are you that famous nimrod yaffle who seems to be the baba dude or what?

:rolleyes:
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nimrod Yaffle
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11-17-2006 13:07
From: Sunspot Pixie

That said, would probably be more effective for Nimrod to ask in Linden Answers, or to PM or email them. Creating another off topic thread about off topic threads doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

I asked a question! :D

Edit: I'll be out of town for the next 2 days... have fun with the naming names! (Not you personally sun, but other people who seem to be doing it.)
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Jeremiah North
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11-17-2006 14:32
From: Lucifer Baphomet
Seriously though... the sheer volume of posts in the last few days, and Strife appeared to be the only active resmod.
I often disagree with Strifes judgements, but lets face it, the poor bugger has been snowed under these past few days.


*CopyBot copies Strife*

Problem solved.
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Nepenthes Ixchel
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11-17-2006 14:36
From: nimrod Yaffle
Is this the new general forums?


Yes. You just need to phrase your post as a question. Such as :

[Statement] So What do you guys think about this?
Bianca Surya
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11-17-2006 15:39
From: nimrod Yaffle
I asked a question! :D

Edit: I'll be out of town for the next 2 days... have fun with the naming names! (Not you personally sun, but other people who seem to be doing it.)


You mean, the people who call you GeForce?
Strife Onizuka
Moonchild
Join date: 3 Mar 2004
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11-17-2006 17:53
From: Jeremiah North
*CopyBot copies Strife*

Problem solved.


my avatar is heavily scripted, they'd only get a snapshot. They might have my body but not my soul :p

I saw the CopyBot problem brewing in the forums, and I asked my self "Do I suppress this or do I let it happen?" At the time I didn't quite realize that we would have another "Prim Mirror" event. So I said, "Lets see how this plays out; maybe another ResMod will step in." Well as you can tell no other ResMod stepped in. So I waited, the longer I waited the more it become apparent that something had to be done, I'd have to decide on my own (I posted to the ResMod forum asking what to do when all heck brakes loose...).

So I started out going after the threads that were the easiest. It's very hard to admin & participate at the same time. Especially when you have some interest or feel sympathetic. You may disagree about the threads I closed, but do you agree on the threads that I left open?

I take my time when I write, so the mood I start with won't be the mood I end with. Sometimes It changes quickly and some times slowly. With this post it was mostly calm, so please consider that when reading.

<rant & ramble>
Most of the posts I've seen about CopyBot are lacking the the technical background. CopyBot is like a nuclear weapon, it changes the paradigm of war. In the past, with each new weapon there was some protection. You build a sword, i build a shield. You build a gun, I build bullet proof body armor. There is no counter measure to this. In the past weapons work on a large scale; they work on the principles of the world we see. Nuclear weapons drop down to a lower level and exploit how the very fabric of our world works. This is what CopyBot does. While the fabric of the world could be changed to make CopyBot not work for a time, CopyBot could be changed to fit that new fabric; there is no winning in an intellectual war. Users are the casualties of a DRM war.

You say you have no weapons against them... You have the law. With the law you can imprison them. They may steal your lively hood, but with the law you can steal their life. Which is more important? Can you develop a new lively hood? Can they develop a new life? Are you willing to accept the chance of change? Is forced change fair? No but is it a fact of life? Yes.

Many are saying "We don't want to change, the world should change to suit us." If LL could turn back time, to a time before Copybot, by some change to Second Life, they would.

I am a scripter, some will say "You have nothing at risk" but I am also a builder; I even make animations, sometimes textures too. All assets can be pirated through some means or another. This is something I can accept. All things in life were once someones exclusive IP. Now most are not. All IP eventually enters the public domain. It's like death & taxes; which everyone would like to cheat. Disney has been cheating IP death for years now. I want to be remembered for what I gave to the community, not for keeping it all to my self. In the end, all we were were just the stewards of the IP we created; we are responsible for that stewardship. Some may say I am an idealistic fool, and to them I say, it's better to have ideals to compromise then have no ideals guiding you at all.

Life is all about compromise. Life has changed again, it does that often in this modern time; most we don't notice. It's time to compromise.

Much of what is going on with copybot is happening in the Real World. There are companies making imitation brand names (psst, wanna to buy a Rolex?), they plague the business world. Do companies like Adidas or Nike like it when someone rips off their latest design? SL is constantly becoming more like the real world. The methods that big corporations use are open to you too.
</rant & ramble>

I don't want you to respond to my rant & ramble or any of what I write, only that you contemplate what I say; if you do this for me I will give your writings the same consideration. There is no battle here, there is nothing to win.
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Seola Sassoon
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11-17-2006 18:27
From: Strife Onizuka
Most of the posts I've seen about CopyBot are lacking the the technical background. CopyBot is like a nuclear weapon, it changes the paradigm of war. In the past, with each new weapon there was some protection. You build a sword, i build a shield. You build a gun, I build bullet proof body armor. There is no counter measure to this. In the past weapons work on a large scale; they work on the principles of the world we see. Nuclear weapons drop down to a lower level and exploit how the very fabric of our world works. This is what CopyBot does. While the fabric of the world could be changed to make CopyBot not work for a time, CopyBot could be changed to fit that new fabric; there is no winning in an intellectual war. Users are the casualties of a DRM war.


But don't you agree that the harder the usage to break in, the less people will be able to do so?

Not everyone knows how to use a shield, even less a gun and even less body armor.

Wouldn't you rather it be the lesser amount of people versus anyone and everyone?
Strife Onizuka
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11-17-2006 18:35
From: Seola Sassoon
But don't you agree that the harder the usage to break in, the less people will be able to do so?


That is not how the internet works; once a method is found it will spread.

Not to mention that the SL client has to work as well; if the SL client does it people will disassemble the client (this is how they cracked the protocol template encryption). This is why the analogy to nuclear weapons works.
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Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence.
- James Nachtwey
Cocoanut Koala
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11-17-2006 18:52
Well, I disagree with much of your viewpoint, but I do appreciate the difficulty you've had handling this alone, Strife.

And I appreciate that you have let us discuss this mess, which is nothing BUT a big morass of questions. LL wants us to figure this all out and handle it by ourselves, after all.

coco

P.S. As you can see, my moods change as well. The sticky, though, shouldn't be there.
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Strife Onizuka
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11-17-2006 19:27
From: Cocoanut Koala
P.S. As you can see, my moods change as well. The sticky, though, shouldn't be there.


Which? the building sticky? I unstickied the one I wrote. I want to have something as a sticky in here on CopyBot.

I will replace it with a thread that meets most of this criteria:
A) lists what copybot does.
B) lists what it doesn't
C) doesn't suggest solutions that will only be easily cracked (don't suggest making things harder).
D) concise
E) answers common questions; you posted a good list (or was it someone else) in another thread...

If there are a post(s) somewhere that fits this criteria point me to it ... I'll make a copy of them and turn them it into a thread.
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- Cyril Connolly

Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence.
- James Nachtwey