Explain Please

I don't understand the "no copy" concept. When you make a purchase (DEFINITION- ANYTHING OBTAINED BY BUYING)

BUY-TO ACQUIRE OWNERSHIP, RIGHT OR TITLE OF ANYTHING BY BUYING

OWN- THAT WHICH BELONGS TO ONESELF, BELONGING STRICTLY TO ONESELF.

OWNERSHIP- IN LAW, THE RIGHT TO USE OWNED PROPERTY FOR ONE'S OWN ADVANTAGE, TO DO WITH AS ONE PLEASES.

SELL- TO GIVE UP DELIVER, OR EXCHANGE OWNERSHIP (GOODS, SERVICES) FOR MONEY. TO PART WITH FOR A PRICE.

wHEN YOU BUY SOMETHING YOU OWN THAT ITEM AND ARE SUPPOSE TO BE ABLE TO DO WITH THAT ITEM WHATEVER YOU WISH IE GIVE IT AWAY, THROW IT AWAY, SELL IT ON EBAY OR JUST BURN IT.

HOW IS IT THAT STORE OWNERS IN SL CAN SELL YOU SOMETHING YET STILL RETAIN OWNERSHIP? i AS A PURCHASER FIND THIS PRACTICE VERY UNFAIR. WE PAY A LOT FOR THE RIGHT TO OWN WHAT WE LIKE BUT WE DON'T REALLY OWN ANYTHING DO WE?

THIS POLICY IS TRUELY UNFAIR AND SHOULD BE CHANGED.

THANK YOU
zORIE Zuhrah

When you buy a copy of a best-seller book, you buy the right to own ONE copy of that book. You can sell it, give it away, burn it. It's your one copy of that book.

But you do NOT buy the unrestricted publishing rights that allow you to duplicate the book infinite times and sell as many copies as you like, pocketing the profits that by legal right belong to the author and the publisher of that book.

When you buy an item in SL that is able to be copied, and is not a 'freebie' that the maker wants to give away unlimited copies of, it is almost always no-transfer. If it was Copy-OK AND Transfer OK, that would be like giving you publishing rights for that best-seller book - nothing to stop you from duplicating it and reselling it forever, and making a profit off someone else's effort.

Now, would you buy a car that you could never resell? How about a house? Land?

Big-ticket items are things you usually would like to be able to sell when you get tired of them. The ONLY way for a merchant to allow you to do that is to make the item NO COPY.

Does that make sense?

I sell most of my more expensive dresses as no-copy/transfer-OK. That allows you to re-sell it or give it away as a gift. If you would rather have that same dress as copy-OK/no-transfer, (which I do for my cheaper clothes, like t-shirts) I'll happily sell one to you. The price is the same either way.

Want a copy-OK/Transfer-OK version? You're asking me for unlimited distribution rights to that dress, and it will cost you at least 100 times what I would normally charge for the dress.

EDITED TO ADD:

Some items in SL have to be sold with full permissions, or they are useless to the next owner. That does not mean you are free to resell them yourself for a profit, or even to give them away. Textures are a good example of this. If you restrict access permissions on a texture in any way, the next user can't use that texture to build something for resale. It just won't work.

Textures are almost always sold under a terms of service agreement that allows you to use the textures to create your own products, such as a house or clothes or a car, but which does NOT in any way allow you to resell the raw textures or even to give those textures away for free.

No copy items do not stop you from doing any of the above, and the original owner does not retain any ownership to the item. Perhaps you are refering to no transfer items? Oh, and all caps is annoying.

In RL when you buy a limited edition numbered print from a gallery, you've bought that one print. You do not get the rights to all the other prints in the edition.

In SL, you buy the rights to own that one item... not the rights to replicate that item. If the seller allows replication, you will be paying extra for that.

Everyone else already answered adequately, but I wanted to add that, no you don't truly own anything in SL. LL can choose to close your account and delete your inventory for any number of reasons, as has been proven already, so even the things that you do "own" are subject to certain limitations.

Give him the Benefit of the doubt, I assumed he hit Caplock and didn't Notice, (Evidenced by the "wHEN YOU BUY" I do that sometimes Within SL,, I've done it here, but i usually delete, and start over, Zorie Probably chose not to.
Concentrate on Content, Not form. You learn more from what is Inside the Book, than from the Picture on the Cover.

Angel

Ok. So we should take it as an entirely misinformed illogical rant and not a capitalised entirely misinformed illogical rant?



I assumed it was some personalised way of writing as evidenced by his name. Note first letter lower case, rest capitalised.

But sure, he might just have a really dodgy capslock key.

Kris! How nice to see you!

I hadn't seen you on here for a while but maybe I was just in the wrong threads.

I think its just too gooed up with human secretions and can't be helped.

Wow! I wish I could type nine paragraphs without looking at the screen!

*waves enthusiastically* hiiii!

well, nuh, they just made it very clear they don't want my kinda commentary in their forum. But sometimes you see a post, you just can't resist!

*bold highlighted for reference.

This is the point. You are not buying copy rights. You are only paying for the rights at the time of purchase. ie you buy a NoMod/NoCopy/Trans item and you are paying for the right to have that one item and for the right to give/sell it if you wish. You are not paying for the right to copy, nor to change that item.

When you buy (insert trademarked item here) you do not get the rights to use that trademark. Only to use the product as it is sold. There exists the possibility to purchse said trademark, but that is a seperate sale.

You are comparing apples to oranges.

Basically, you are complaining that you are not getting a service you did not pay for.

Does that explain it?

~Jessy

I think the point he was trying (unsuccessfully) to make is, if an item is no transfer, what is the harm making it copyable? you couldn't sell it to anyone else. It's handy because, for instance, I use several different avatar sizes. A copyable item would allow me to make different copies for my own use which are adjusted to fit the different Avatars. Luckily many creators do give copy rights, I always prefer to give them my business.

Dearly Darlings,

Most folks I do business with when I have had these concerns have changed things to copy/no trasfer for me. I alway check on the item before I make a purchase and IM the vendor with questions. I've also had store owners come and set things up for me when I can't figure it out. If I can't get the answers I need I keep looking. Considering I'm "Instant Gratification Grandma"...that seems to work for me.

Ever Yours,

Mrs. Showdog Tiger

I love Showdog!

As for the copy mod trans thing, it's been debated for a long time. The general consensus of resi's was the ability to mod and copy but not transfer. They wanted to be able to make copies then mod whatever on it and have the copy ready.

I personally love this setting for my hair. There may be a few strands that don't fit my face or something of the sort, so I can take them out and if I goof, bring out the backup!

Do a quick search and you'll find hundreds of threads.

Actually is was my thought that the poster mistook copy for transfer. If that is the case I do agree with most that was said.

I no longer buy anything that is set to no transfer/no modify myself. I do this for several reasons.

1. Sometimes the item in question does not look anything like it did on the display when I'm wearing it. Images of many catolog purchases come to mind, but at least I could return the item in RL.

2. At times I've bought something that seemed like a good idea at the time, but 2 days later said to myself "what was I thinking". At least if it is transferable I can give it to someone who might get some use for it.

3. I have an alt and occasionally like to transfer things back n forth between my 2 chars.

4. I occasionaly clean out my inventory of clothes I no longer wear, and like item 2 above, I would just as soon give them away to someone that can use them instead of deleting them.

5. If no modiify is set and there are prims involved, I end up with an article of clothing that dosen't fit half the time, so once again useless to me.

I personally (which to anyone but me dosen't matter), would like to see all clothing set as trans-yes, copy no. I have no need for multiple copies of the same item in my inventory, and if I try and modify something and mess it up, well that's my problem. If I buy a skirt, deciede to hem it, screw it up, no store in rl will refund/exchange it, so why should anyone in SL.

Seconded .

The problem is that there are some things that really need to be copyable.

If you buy a prefab house, for example, chances are it will be copyable. Why? Well, most houses are modifiable - people do like to customise their homes. But sometimes they do something they later regret- a copyable house means they can customise to their heart's content, knowing they have a 'back-up'.

The other reason a lot of people are choosing copyable over transferable for their products of late is that it is a little disheartening to spend hours creating, say, a set of clothes which you choose to sell at a very reasonable price, perhaps as a Christmas bargain, only to find people buying it and selling the contents at yard sales for more than you are. I have personally seen a number of my items being sold for a lot more than I sell them - I don't want to raise me prices, I remember well what it was like to be new in Second Life and short of cash. My intention is to offer my customers a special offer, not to provide cheap stock for other retailers. So any future 'special bargains' I sell will be copyable only. The same goes even more so for free items. If someone wants to give an item as a gift, they only have to ask me and I can easily sort that for them.

A third reason would be in the case of items like multi-packs, for example packs of hairs in lots of colors. Buying said packs is usually a lot cheaper than purchasing the colors of hair individually. If people could transfer the hair there would be a lot of buying of the packs and sharing hairs amongst friends who like different colors to you. This may seem pretty cool to a customer, but rather defeats the seller's intention of rewarding ONE person for making a large purchase.

I have been in sl a year or so now so I understand the copy/mod/trans rules okay but I do have two questions and I would be grateful for any help.

1) Is it possible for me to have an object that is no copy/no modify/no transfer and if so how do I do this?

The reason why is with note cards, in short certain note cards I distribute I do not really want to make it that easy for people to tamper with them (with my name as original creator) Of course I know that by copy/paste into Windows etc anyone could clone a notecard BUT it would not show me as original creator.

Also I need a standard notecard vendor to give a copy of the notecard to any avatar who asksd for it

Thanks for any help on this first point.

2) I run a real life business in sl so I think it is only fair I support Second Life business and in general try to do so. But with full permissions textures what is the current community view on fabrics. For example I have seen carpets/rugs/clothes etc textured by one sl artist and created by another?

Again I know this may be a grey area within sl but would welcome some guidance


Regards

John

Vehicles should always be copy/no-trans. Due to instability in SL, it is too easy to lose your vehicle unexpectedly. In particular, while crossing sim borders you will sometimes be launched into orbit and the vehicle is gone.

Two items in my store are copy/no-trans, everything else is trans/no-copy. I have had to put announcement text in my store warning people to check the permissions before purchasing because customers had kept purchasing the copy items intending to give them to someone else.

I understand what you are saying about some items such as houses, and I also am led to believe that the scripts in some items (cars) crash when moving from sim to sim so a backup is neccasary, which is why I limited my response to clothing.

It's just rather irratating to buy a outfit which is prim intensive, with no modify rights, dosen't fit, now what do you do with it? And don't say contact the seller, the one time i did, was rudely told to make my "butt bigger", and it would fit just fine.

1) Putting all perms to NO is not possible. Some see it on objects, but that's an illusion. Placing a NoCopy script in a NoMod/NoTrans item makes it show as NoMod/NoCopy/NoTrans, though the item can really be copied. Though if you pull the script out you can't put it back in the item.

I would advise making the cards NoMod/NoTrans. I can't see how that person having multiple copies in thier inventory could hurt, but I'm not sure of your full intentions.

There are many notecard givers in game. Unfortunately I can't remember teh creator of the one I use. IM me in-world and I'll send you the name then.

2) Textures are made for others to use on prims they sell. That means that you can buy a texture, use it to texture a prim object, and then sell that object. What is frowned upon is selling the texture itself. So if you buy textures from the major texture places, you can use them on your work and sell your work. Just not sell (or give at all) the textures themselves.

If you wish to help support those testure creators, however, I would suggest putting a notice in the "credits" of your product. Perhaps with a landmark to said texture store, or even with another notecard (an ad) that the store owners can give you.

~Jessy

i am sorry if my typing offended anyone i was in a hurry and just wanted to ask a question. you never learn anything without asking the question. i thought this was a form for getting answers. and i am a woman, i didn't realize i had my caps on, i used the small z in my name on purpose because i like it like that.
i have learned that to ask questions on this form one should be prepared to be riticuled (i probably spelled that wrong) i'm sure someone will jump on that but i won't be back to read it.

i do want to thank those that explained the reasoning behind the no copy. it now makes sense to me and that's all i really wanted.