Are LINKED notecards within notecards gonna be fixed in this update?

It's been ages now! Do LL even know about the problem? I did bug report it ages ago as i'm sure many others have. Is that really so hard to fix??

(just to explain.....when people click on a linked notecard within a another notecard - if they are not the creator of the notecard, they are unable to view the linked notecard - a message appears saying 'you don't have permission')

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1225 seems to be the issue for it. It's marked as 'major' and has a Linden assigned to it. With 174 votes, it's the 2nd most requested (and not fixed) bug behind the issue with group IMs being weird.

aha! great thanks for the info - it's got 175 votes now

It wasn't listed in the release notes when they were originally going to update to 1.18 in June, so I'd guess the answer is no.

http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/06/22/second-life-118-release-on-june-27th-beta-test-grid-updated/

You can drag the embedded cards into your inventory, though...left-click and hold on the link, then drag it over.

jira is to fool us thinking we have a say in bug fixes
they do what they want and fix what they want regarding to the jira votes, else groups would have been fixed 2 months ago lol

How long would it take you to fix the groups stuff?

The "Missing Image" baked texture problem was introduced in October 2006, but instead of properly fixing it to the way things were before (it just never happened) they gave up and are just moving "Rebake Textures" out of the debug menus to make it more accessible since it's part of the daily routine now.

The bug triage was interesting and explains a lot:
* first up were the bug fixes with open-source patches for bugs that had 0 votes (one did have 4)
* next up were the feature requests with open-source patches (again, barely any votes)
* then time was up but for good measure they picked an actual bug and classified it "won't fix" (it didn't actually need fixing, but it seemed fitting)

Lesson: learn how to fix your own bugs and we'll take your fix, otherwise we can't be bothered

It wasn't broken before that update, and neither were notecards and a whole load of other issues.

If there were bugs in new features then that's acceptable or at least understandable, but these are things that have worked fine forever and then just happen to break in an "update" and never go back to working as well as they did before.

There's really no excuse to release updates that don't at least have the same working functionality as the older version.

Funny, I don't have the rebake problem anymore...

Also, it's a lot easier to incorporate "hey I fixed this for you" into your work than "hey fix this or I'll be angry on the forums".

A little more transparency would be nice but knowing most residents it will only lead to more of the "you should be doing this and this and this you morons" from people that don't actually know shit.

Well, you wouldn't know until someone tells you. Maybe you have too polite friends .

If you change clothing and then instantly tp away you'll be stuck with a missing image in most cases.

If you have two bugs that occur about as frequent, or annoy about the same number of people then you can prefer the done patch.

But spending your time incoperating patches for issues with 0 votes for bugs that barely anyone even knows or cares about, while leaving bugs that are a major pain for a whole lot of people and that you're responsible for breaking in the first place is a whole other issue.

Kitty, thanks for the report from this meeting; wish I could have attended. Based on the client-side focus, I gather this was Benjamin's Tuesday UI triage (as opposed to one of Ben's Monday meetings).

The problem I see emerging here is that the viewer-only bugs are getting harder and harder to find (and perhaps those remaining are harder and harder to fix), while the defect load on the server side just keeps climbing because there's no way for the opensource developers to help there.

I'm also seriously concerned that widespread use of this white elephant known as "voice" will create a whole batch of defects that are voice-only, and because it's the hot new thing, it will get disproportionate attention. (Imagine a developer looking at a list of defects: fix this shiny voice thing that I just worked on integrating, or try to patch around some code written four years ago by that notoriously clueless LongDeparted Linden. Gee, which will I pick?)

Don't base your opinion of how it went based on my personal take, I'm jaded against seeing productive results .

Benjamin put the transcript up: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Benjamin_Linden/Office_Hours/2007_Jul_10

Again, not happening with me. I don't see it happen to others anymore, either. They'll have missing image for a moment, but then it rezzes. It became a non-issue a while ago as far as I knew.



I guess I don't have as much knowledge of LL's inner-workings to know what they're focusing on and not focusing on.



What if the bugs they're fixing came from patches made by other people? There's almost 0 work in that.

It's also possible that they are trying to handle the bigger bugs by taking care of some larger system issues as opposed to just using bandaids.

I'm not trying to explain or defend LL. I'm just saying we don't have enough definitive information to jump to the conclusions that are coming up here.

Also, these types of rants are probably what has made the Lindens less visible in recent times. Why bother fielding questions when you already know the majority of them are going to be negative, condescending and inflammatory?

THAT is a good thing to know. Thanks Ann.

~Jessy

There's a big difference between LL and actual Lindens, or at least there is for me . I can whine on the forums, but I'm not going to complain to a Linden personally, that would be rather unfair and unproductive.
Most people are that way, no matter how much they gripe about problems and issues. It's just that a growing population means ever more exceptions of people who can't see past the Linden last name and want to blame that person for all their problems.

I'm sure that every individual Linden is great at doing his or her job, but that doesn't mean that the whole is as great as well and that everyone should sit quietly and just accept it.

Not all Lindens are equal, and I don't think the high-ups were ever that involved in-world, which leaves the lower ranks to face legitimate complaints (and pointless rants as well) from people about things they have no control over and that noone higher up seems to want to address.

I voted and posted the following response at the website listed in Post #2:

We are Defender Servants of THE FORCE (DSTF) protecting all SL citizens from Griefers, Gangs and Organized Crime in SL. We have waited weeks to send our training manuals to current and new members. One of our officers is sending piece by piece in sections to all members individually as a result.

Fixing this should be a top priority of any new release.

the inworld lindens are great ppl but they`re the ones doing dmg control for the idiots at the office

complaining to a linden inworld is of no use as they can`t do anything, with support it`s the same, dmg control of the monkies
this is pritty much the only way to let them know that this is getting out of control, more and more bugs introduced and less fixed, not even voting on the jira helps as they don`t fix the stuff that are voted most on like group IM wich worked fine in 1.14/1.15(to long ago to remember) and "fixed" it several times from not working at all to massive delays, error msg popups and still can`t leave the session when closing

if u have a direct email to the coding monkies available then the forums will quiet down, till then we`re paying to much to just stand by silently and let them screw everything up and say "vote this, vote that haha suckers it ain`t getting fixed this month!"

time of waiting and watching and suffering more and more losses over time is over for me personally, keep helping ppl with issue`s here and there but when it comes to LL and their incompitence i`ll just say exactly what i think untill they pull their crap together and start actually fixing everything they broke in the past 3-4 months and never fixed like permissions issues and PAYPAL!!!!

and for all the ppl who says "grumpy, u have no right, blablabla", i pay a good amount of money to ll in island fee and CC, lets see u all stay quiet with no bitching when paying $350 for incompitence heh
amazed that some of the major land or island group holders haven`t put in some of their weight...