Dirty methods of a competition

I am engaged in resale of the land. And moving on parsels began to get in a situation when me teleport home. The problem consists that the object ' Willow tree (with whisps) and sparkle ' which moves me, is not in that parsel. I cannot often find it at all. And it began to occur, when I am on my parsel.
Also after teleport home I lost ability to move, teleport, i.e. the client ceased to work and it was necessary relogin. If teleport for any reason was impossible, there are tens messages a minute about impossibility teleport. That as forces relogin.
When I have bought the land at N... F... together with this tree, I have found a script ' Bye.', created N... F.... This script presumably is griefer.
I have addressed to N... F..., but have not received the answer. Today I have sent abuse report to Lindens, and wait answer. Also I hope they will help to solve this situation.
As this object operates selectively and not on everything, I would like to know, that occurs. Under some data me have counted landbot, but it never was. Similar, the some people use dirty methods. Who will have time to accuse somewhat quicker competitors at the slightest pretext or to begin the company, for example, against landbot, against 16sqm, against advertising, that goes white and fluffy. And the others should be washed from a dirt.
Sorry for my bad english, i use translator.

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First, file an abuse report, since Live Help/Help Request no longer exists. Don't bother IMing the owner of the object (whose name you should probably remove from the post, as it violates the 'naming names').

Try then going to the Linden Village (it's found on the main page, but I don't know the SLURL, sorry) and see if there is a Linden there. I doubt there will be, but you never know. They have made it impossible to directly get a hold of a Linden when you need one, although I can't blame them.

EDIT: I see you already have, and after reading your post again, it seems you own the land the tree is on? If that's the case, find the region on the map, and teleport to a spot near the parcel, without entering the parcel - then just right click the tree/more/delete.


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I would contact Nobody Fugazi directly, if he "owns" the scripted tree that is.. It's clear that you are an unintended target and I'm sure he would be more than happy to help you here..

The OP is misrepresenting the situation here. He is on the Arbor Project's list of 16sq.m. ad land cutters, and thus is part of their movement to ban him from participating members' land. It isn't about competition in land sales at all. This is a statement by this group to try to show these people that their tactics of destroying mainland are not welcome.

Sorry if I'm not stating this as elegantly as James Gill would have, but I feel that I need to set this straight before any more flaming goes on here.

Thing is, although group members can ban ad cutters from their land, the ban list does not stop them from buying the parcels they are banned from. There's a proposal in the JIRA thingy about this.

Edit: I should mention that I have only just recently become familiar with this group, but I do know that no one is added to their ban list unless it has been documented multiple times that they are in fact an ad lot cutter.

Edit to edit: (I'm still working on my first cup of coffee.) I'm not sure what kind of script the OP is referring to - the Arbor Project probes only work on land that the person using it owns. Perhaps this is a different kind of script that is being used to get rid of the same list of people?

I till now have not waited the help from Lindens. Why it does not surprise me?
If the script acted on me only on parsel the owner of object, there would be no claims. But the script acts on me simply on the certain distance, presumably, on maximal for llSensor. Even if I am on MY parsel, on some distance from parsel the owner of a script where there is this tree. And it already infringement in which I asked the help.
About Arbor Project - I not against but I buy and I sell land, including on 16sqm. I spoke about other. That is indecent to be covered with similar programs. Especially this person as sells small pieces of land with ADVERTISING against advertising!
But I initially did not do accent on Arbor Project, only as the assumption. I do not know the present reason till now. I was interested concerning an illegal teleport. Which can be regarded as attack to me. I do not break laws SL, and to attack me, especially on my land or anywhere it is impossible. If Lindens will not help me I should solve a problem by means of similar, but stronger means. Confrontations are not necessary to me but what to do, if client constantly crashed.

i hate to say it that no matter how much one hates the 16 sq meter lands it sounds like this guy is being griefed. One bad tactic does not deserve another bad tactic. If this is the arbor project they might consider moving things back so he can get onto his little lots. I hate those 16 sq meter lots as well they are ugly and server no real purpose other then maybe if you have a server or something you need hosted, but to give the guy a hard time and it appears he is having issues accessing these lots I think they need to rethink their little script as it does seem to be affecting his ability to access land he technically owns.

He also seems reasonable and his requests are reasonable even though the ad farms are ugly hehe

The only way someone can be teleported home by script is with the function llTeleportAgentHome(). According to its entry in the scripting wiki:

"If the scripted object is over owner's land, teleports agent id immediately to that agent's home location. The agent is not asked for confirmation."

The landowner has decided to subscribe to the Arbor Project's ... I think its called clocktower project ... which bans and teleports home anyone on their ban list - people who have a repeated history of cutting up land for use as ad farms. The person can not be teleported home if they are over land belonging to someone who does not use the clocktower, so it is the decision of the land owner to send you home.

You are free to do with your land as you wish; they are free to do likewise. Perhaps they are doing this because they are angry with you?

Probably, my English is bad enough. I in fact wrote, that it occurs even then when I am on mine parsel. You wish to tell, what I have desire compulsorily teleport myself to home?
Also let's not entangle here Arbor Project. I did not specify on Arbor Project as the reason of my problems. By the way, on mine 16sqm parsels now there is no advertising, there are only signs for sale.

Looks ilke they have it set up to somehow scan him when he is not on their land (i have had that done I dont like it. I was out shopping and some guy had some script send me home and no it was not the store owner.)

Looks like whomever is doing it is overstepping their bounds. In any event about all you can do is send in an abuse report when this happens and telephone linden labs also put in a request for a concierge maybe they will help and come remove the offending scanners. Obviously they are doing something beyond what is acceptable and teleporting the guy away from these lots which is technically his. I dont care how mad anyone is you dont want him on your own land fine but now it seems the answer to dealing with issues is to basically find a way to bother someone on their own land. This is not right and hopefully if you keep reporting it and can get a hold of a live linden they will go remove it.

Also go to the linden village and look up the hours of a linden being online and possibly send a notecard to a linden inworld asking to have the scanners removed so you can access your parcels.

When one party behaves badly and uses "the i hate them and so i will be mean to them" attitude I loose all respect for the so called fight being faught. This looks like some kind of exploit to me as these scanners should not be able to access him on his parcel. Obviously something is set up so it can.

Also ayam those for sale signs serve no purpose anyone looking for land uses the map feature if they are close and looks for "yellow parcels" or uses the search engine function. Signs on land with for sale and roads and such in Second life have no real purpose.

I wouldn't put too much faith in llTeleportAgentHome() only working over the owners land. Other land based functions can extend beyond the boundaries of the parcel. Just the other day, I played a video for my neighbour on the walls of her house, controlled from my parcel.

I thought you meant that it was happening to you after you bought the land, with the object on it that causes you to teleport home (which transferred to your ownership in the sale).

Are you saying this is happening on land that you already owned, where the object was not located to begin with? In that case, it sounds like a bug, because that is only supposed to work on the land that the object owner owns.

To clarify, the point in landowners banning people because they are known to cut land into 16sqm parcels is not necessarily because the cutters the ones who are putting the advertising on it - it is because by cutting the land into tiny pieces and selling it, they are enabling multiple people to put many different kinds of ads on the land.

I always wonder with people who repeatedly cut ad parcels out of perfectly good larger lots - do you actually have a home or a business on the mainland? If you did, you might sympathize with people who do not like to see the land cut up into 16 sq.m. parcels.

I don't believe they care, Annabelle. Which is unfortunate, but unsurprising.

Yeah I suppose this is what we get with the "Make big money!" culture in Second Life. Another land cutter had posted in a previous thread that she'd rather see spinning ads than ban lines all over the place - funny thing is, I bet the reason she's seeing all those ban lines is because she's a land cutter.

Sorry I keep derailing this thread - but I hope that the OP and the other land cutters are noticing that the profit on land cutting appears to be declining significantly - you used to be able to profit handsomely from cutting land into 16 sqm parcels, but I've noticed lately in the land listings that most of them don't sell for any more per sq.m. than the larger parcels do.

Time here there was a discussion, shall try to answer some questions and to state the point of view.
I cannot be named a malicious cutting. I never cut good parsels.
Certainly, I buy small parsels 32,64 in group advertising parsels and I sell them on 16sqm. But we shall consider a situation in the first life. The society will strongly win if will detain the street seller of drugs? Perhaps, it is better to slam the manufacturer?
Do some flying on new sims and look, as the winners of auctions sometimes cut land. At me hair rise on end. I never buy these not rectangular parsels. Never! But they provoke other resalers on cut this land on small parsels. And Linden road does not provoke to create advertising zones?
Let's consider moral aspects. I fairly sell land, including 16sqm (but it is much more on 512). Any project, we shall not name what, asks to transfer them 16sqm parsels on 3L$ for 1sqm. Question for the baby - as politicians make money?
Other aspect. If to assume (to assume only) that my problems are connected with some project I can tell, that this person too sells 16sqm.
And still aspect. Me have written down in landbots And though I was registered in NoBots, but, similar, someone till now considers me a landbot, though I never used software for resale of the ground.
Who entitles someone to declare me this or that bad person? With me nobody spoke in occasion of landbots.
From Arbor Project there was an object with the offer to give them small pieces on 3L$ for sqm. It can cause something except for a smile? I would sell to all of them small pieces under the normal price. I have not time to be engaged in them and I shall soon stop their sale. As the normal noncommercial organization, they should negotiate between me and the owner big parsel. Such occurs?
Probably, I here speak unpleasant words. But I in fact do not break the law?
Where court in Second Life? On two abuse reports there is no answer. For the sake of justice it is necessary to tell, that today I happened on it parsels where the teleport worked only within the limits of parsel.
On second IM the infringer again has not answered me. I shall try to go in Linden village. But I am am frightened with a language barrier. I hoped, that this theme will draw attention even of one of hundreds Lindens.
P.S. For certain the autotranslator translates with distortions. I read your messages and it is necessary me hardly. Very much I hope, that the sense of my messages will be correctly understood.

And where to search Lindens? By a word "Linden" a several sims but to teleport is possible only in Linden Estate Services. There is not present Lindens.

here is a link to linden village its just one linden i picked randomly off the website

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Beaumont/148.684/154.881

there is more information around you have to look for it. I actually have never ever used help only ever submitted abuse reports.

go to the support page there is also telephone numbers apart from that I dont know what else really

you can search under people and type in the word linden it should bring up something (i think?).

I just wanted to clarify the Arbor Projects Clocktower Network does not use any sensors, nor does it teleport anyone home. It simply adds the list of confirmed/spoken to/known cutters from a central database (the Blacklist) to the Parcels local banlist.

In regards to Ayam's name being on the blacklist, it is for actual cutting of parcels into ad farms. I cannot speak for any other scripted tools being used by anyone else.

From the Arbor Website http://arbor.npl.com/


Regards,
James Gill

I will have to disagree with you here Ayam, http://slurl.com/secondlife/Yudasin/5/167/57

This farm cut was done by you on Mar 23 2007, I personally sent you a notecard which you did not respond to. I have tried to speak to you in person as well on a number of occasions.

Again, I'll state the Arbor Projects Clocktower network does not use any functionality to do anything other than ban a known cutter from a parcel of land that the land owner has decided was in their best interest to do so.

James

James! From what you have taken, what I cut this ground? If you had more than deductive abilities, you could look next another's 16sqm parsel and see earlier date. You have published date when I have bought these parsels. That I do not hide and I can give you some more hundreds references. Therefore it is not necessary to be scattered by words. To you nobody gave the right to put labels on people.
I receive a lot of advertising notecards. And it is a lot of IMs, such as "hi! you online?" or "I wish to buy 1024 sqm for 5000L$". I do not react to such messages. But always I aspire to dialogue if I receive the normal substantial message. Unfortunately, I experience difficulties with English language. Try the autotranslator and you will understand, that the sense often escapes.
If I shall see, that you are borrowed by the real concrete help to residents SL if I shall understand, that you not the swindler doing money on slogans for trustful people I shall join you.
I was about your office under the reference from notecard. To me there access is closed. In notecard I have not found anything constructive. Without authorization on your site except for declarations anything is not present. You have to me specific proposals not behind a side of nonsense? I am ready to dialogue, it is desirable on ICQ.
With dissatisfied neighbours of small parsels I perfectly agree and without you, selling it these parsels under lower prices (who has enough mind to address to me not with insults, and with the normal request).
As to tower probe who has a patience on the autotranslator or who knows Russian, I give the reference as I have suffered from it (not without the nonsenses) http://www.world2.ru/node/258
You tower has appeared mean object