Stop The Land Bots!

Please please please...
Help us get this moving.

http://www.kivaisland.com/nolandbots.php


Thanks in advance!
Lord Leafblower

THANK YOU!

The shortage of landbot threads was beginning to worry me.

how can you possibly hope to stop them? i know one way


price your land higher

I don't have a problem with them. No, I don't use them and not a real estate person, but reading the petition makes it seem like it keeps people from buying reasonable land which is FALSE. It keeps the land flippers/resellers from cashing in. I've notice the landbot strikes when land reaches until 10.(something) L per square m. For every person you point out that buys land that cheap and keep it for their own home, I can point out 5 who just buys to resell. Call it for what it is. I sold 512 sq m land for $5250 aand Ayna Flanagan (Landbot) who then deeds to Supreme Flock of Land Ninjas swooped it up instantly. Well, that part of the land was left over from the other 512 lots made up. Well, that 512 turned out to be a 336 sqm lot and 176 sq m lot touching, so Land bot didn't get the deal it thought. Not something I planned, but it turned out nice.

512 lots can be had for $5899-$6500L all day long. So, you can leave that argurment out.

I still like the removal of PVP restrictions against bots, and putting a bounty on their virtual heads idea.

I thourght that as they were called bots i could kill em anyways

I now picture Bladerunner-esque scenes in clubs and casinos as someone is ruthlessly gunned down in the midst ofa crowd of shocked citizens before the reassuring "its OK people, it was a bot."

Just ban the bots, they steal from regular people, there are only 3 of them active, one of them steals land from people who make mistakes with their land. People should have a good time in SL and not get upset about the fact they lost their virtual property because of a mistake they made in pricing their land.

I dont know if there more than 3 players with bots, but theres more than 3 land bots, I thought?

Someone posted one player has 40? While another posted they can run 3. I beleive.

I know of 3 users and 9 actual bots, but there are probably more.

Good petition. It gets my signature, and I'll start publicizing it.

I have recommended a solution to this a while back on the SL forums however it has fallen of deaf ears it would seem. The thing is its a very easy solution for SL to deploy also.

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I still think this would work for the most part.

Landbot threads are like heroin for me. Thanks all.

*starts 5 more just for kicks*

Notice the main ones complaining are the resellers. Guess the bots beating them to the punch makes their pockets less full. I listed one of my partial 512 lots for $5250 and immediately the landbot bought it. But at the same time, you should have seen the attendance and NONE of them were people looking for land to live on. Every last one of them were resellers. But then you see them acting like they care about other people and their property. Go figure.

Thanks. I have ordered one, and will put it on my land.

coco

Im all for slowing the land buing selling process down though.

Seems the big Issues are Swooping, complete inability to find a bargain, Database usage.

Bots make all three areas worse than human land flippers. Becuase they do it faster.

Id be all for slowing down the ability of humans to do these activities also.

As to the land resellers complaining the most, Of course they are they lost money to this.

The biggest Defenders are the Land bot owners and their friends. Becuase they gain by this.

A lot of those in the neither catagory dont know whats alls involved or were tired of landbot threads.

Which actually helps the land bots. Talk an issue to death and get people who have attention spans to the point they'd rather tell others to shut up rather than agree something should be done - and those who own the landbots gain.


PS-
Why isnt this petition a simple on the web signup ? wouldnt the easier the better be a good idea?

Don't get me wrong. I hate landbots. I have little respect for land flippers in general, human or program. They have collectively ruined the mainland land market for average folks wanting to get a slice of heaven here in Second Life, and turned it into a profit machine.

With little due respect, I don't need Sarah Nerd or Elanthius Flagstaff to "help" me buy or sell land. I have all the tools I need to do that right here in this client viewer. And before anyone accuses me of naming names, they've already named themselves, in landbot thread after landbot thread. So don't feed that line to me.

That all being said, I hate landbot threads.

zk

I wonder would would be the harm in forcing people to hold land after buying it for say ... 72 hours?

Also placing limits on how much land someone can buy, much like the Linden buy/sell limits.

Land Buyers of course could increase their limits - with Linden approval. Those cuaght being underhanded would have these increased limits removed.

There is a big difference between those that deal in land and those that flip it. For one, many of the larger land dealers are the ones who buy full sims, half sims, quarter sims (which is how many of the auction winners sell their land) and then take their time to divide it up into smaller parcels. Most average users cannot afford that kind of investmetn, or that kind of tier fees. When you carry tier for a sim or more and have to figure in that cost as part of your sales, then you can complain. Yes, there are those who flip land for a profit, buying 512 and 1024 plots and then reselling them at huge profit margins, but there are also those who use the tier that THEY pay for, and the large investments that big chunks of property take, and then they generally split the land into those smaller parcels and sell in the bottom 5% of the market pricewise. As for seeing 'them' acting like they care - how much have you donated to help those who have gotten ripped off? How much time, energy, and money have you spent to try to make a difference?

It comes down to the fact that people have gotten burned by either honest mistakes, or flaws in the system, and this should be stopped. The only way that this will ever be changed is to let it be known that the majority of people feel that this is a serious wrong that needs to be addressed.

Then as your definition goes, I'm talking about the land flippers and those are the ones complaining. Just like one had the nerve to tell me my lots were worth $5425 each which is what they were willing to pay yet you can't find ANY mainland lot that cheap. Not saying any names, but they know who they are. And yes, they are one of the complainers.

And about me, I have a few lots that people stay on "rent free" to help them enjoy the game. The land I'm selling now is all at a lost lindens wise. I have done a lot to help people, so do your homework first before you make accusations. People claim they worried about landbots, but I guarentee you as soon as long shows up at less than 11.0 L/sq m, they are the first to be there.

I don't understand what one's role has to do with whether Landbots should be allowed or not. Landbot runners are in favor of Landbots? Flippers are against them because they cut into profits? The poor common man can't find a bargain? None of this is relevant to the issue.

Do Landbots violate the "rules" or ToS? Not if they are simply custom versions of the open-source client. If we're going to take up our pitchforks and lynch someone for writing a clever client for a profit, what next? People who use Photoshop (an expensive piece of software the Common Resident can't afford) since they have an unfair advantage in designing textures? People with more free time since they have an unfair advantage in building stuff? People who can program since they have an unfair advantage in writing scripts?

My position is that Landbots per se should not be stopped. Now, if we want to reopen the ethical discussion of land swooping and profiting from others' mistakes, fine--but those are separate issues from botting.

Why comment... Nothing will change. Nevermind.

i still believe that any job that consist in actions that can be automated should be made by a program/robot, humans shouldn't have to do any menial works, especially in a virtual world.