Deeding land to groups, in order to allow security to work

Hi,

I own a club which is now getting traffic of 25,000 per week, and consquently, I need to allow several trusted members of my club's "fan group" to act as security when I am not online.

I only want to allow them powers to eject and ban avatars, but I am weary of deeding the land to my group in case the hundreds of members, or officers have to start paying tier, or start receiving money from the vendors inside the club etc ...

Since the "Knowledge Base" only shows examples of partnerships between several managers, where each contributes tier, and receives an equal share of profits, I was wondering if anyone can guarantee from their own personal experience that this wont happen, so long as the relevant options are switched off in the "group abilities" section, for the public and officer roles.

I just basically want to be 100% sure before I push the button, lol.

Thanks,
Mart

Have a good look at the member roles in your group.

You should be able to set who has to pay group liability, who can recieve group benefits, etc. Set up your designated moderator-type people as officers, and set specific properties to that officer role. Everything about group accounting - in and out - should be in there.

Thanks man. I will triple check the abilities, and then deed the land out.

If you really don't want to deed out the land, you can use scripting to allow a list of "officers" ban/eject abilities.

Check out llAddToLandBanList, llEjectFromLand, llRemoveFromLandBanList and llTeleportAgentHome. Your "officers" wont get certain features like freeze, but there's enough there to deal with griefers.

You also don't have to worry about any screw ups in updates causing money to be distributed to all members.

If you want some help setting up a scripted solution, feel free to IM me in world.

you can set up your group that only lets you sell the land

Make sure when you sell the club off you kick everyone out of your group except you and one very trusted member (or an alt)

I thought it would be simple ... Set the land to the group (rather than deed it to the group) and then allow the officers of the group to which the land was set to act as officers.

Instead, it seems that even though I can set it so that my officers wont have to pay tier, or recieve a profit share, I will still have to give the entire plot of land away, and can't ever resell it. If I do resell it, then everyone in the group gets an equal share?!

What kind of half-arsed system is that?! Linden Labs, we have another feature that needs working on. Lol.

I think I will take you up on the scripting option. I am an OK scripter myself, but I will probably drop you a message soon Sys.

It is simple - well not simple, but not too difficult. If you are the group owner, and you deed the land to the group, you can still sell it and receive all the proceeds.

The proceeds from the land sale are treated the same as profit sharing in the group. If you are the only person who is allowed to receive profits from the group, you are the only person who will receive the money from the land sale. Of course, do remember that all group profits are only paid out once a day - so if you deed the land to the group and eventually sell the land, you won't get paid immediately; you'll have to wait until the next group distribution.

I've done this several times; it works fine. You just have to be familiar with the group role settings.

1. Members - this is your general fan base, and should have the most restrictive settings, so uncheck most of the boxes for what people in this role are allowed to do.
2. Officers - assign your trusted group members to this role and give them the permissions to ban/eject people from the land, etc. Make sure that the accounting - liabilities and profits - are turned off.
3. Owner - hopefully you. Make it so that you are the only role that has full permissions.

You don't have to deed land to your group to give your security people eject and ban options..see this post..

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Hope this helps.
Regards.

You can still sell the land - the only problem is if other people are in your group the sale monies are divided amoung the group.

But as owner you can kick any one at any time. So literally to sell the land you kick the group except for 1 person. An Alt or trusted freind, and you can sell. You can even sell it to yourself.

Alternatively if you dont want to kick the group - sell the land to yourself for 1$ then you can resell or keep in the same position you are now prior to deed.

You can easily make it so ONLY the owner can sell the land. Just make sure both sell land and change group permissions are not checked on any role other than owner.

Yes there should be a reposses land option - but with a little knowledge you can accomplish the same thing.

Everyone take time to look at each and every role ability that there is and there are a lot of things you can do that we previously could not. If its confusing, make a New role, which starts them off with NO Allowed Abilities.

If its really confusing and you arent sure what each role does, there is three tabs under Members and Roles. They are "Members" "Roles" "Abilities"...check that last tab which is Abilities and it will give you descriptions of what each one is for.

For your clubs fan group...Im not sure how many people you are talking about but you might want to be very selective on who you let do your access and ban list. You can make a Security role and put specific people in there that you know you can trust and give them those abilities.

An added heads up...be sure to go into the Everyone group and take OFF Pay Group Liabilities. I have a couple of groups that keep reverting that, but I keep goin in and unchecking it anyway...group members for places like stores and clubs or explore areas etc shouldnt have to pay the liabilities. >.<

This is not true. I have sold group land several times, and had all the profits go directly to me. It's just a matter of checking the boxes in the group roles so that you are the only one with the ability to receive profits from the group. You won't have to kick anyone out of the group first unless you have put them in a role where they will receive group profits.

Now, there is an acknowledged bug in the group assets box that makes it look like all profits will be split equally among group members. But when the time for payout comes, only the people in the role(s) designated to receive payouts will receive them.

Interesting - I never trusted it enough to see if the proffits only went to me.

I saw the summary saying everyone would get a share - freaked out and made a notice I had to remove people for accounting reasons and kicked them all excpet my best friend.

As expensive as land is .. the "each share is " is pretty scary.

At the time, my group only consisted of my alt and me, so I felt pretty safe in experimenting with it and seeing what happened!

You select whom pays into the group system and who recieves payouts. Keep in mind if you have it set that certain group members share expenses (ie they help pay for advertising costs ect) then they will also be entitled to share the profits when this group land is sold. Unless of course you change the rules right before you sell the land and give them NOTHING. Being a group owner now gives you great flexibility, something we didnt have back in the olden days. You choose whom to empower with whatever abilities you deem fit. Including expense/profit sharing. You can also subtract those abilities whenever you feel like it.