Second Life Forums Archive - Money Sploders

Scarlett Melnik

Techno-Phobe

Join date: 18 Apr 2007

Posts: 137

11-21-2007 04:53

My favourite club has a money spolder and it's great fun - everyone wins something.

But i've heard they're not actually allowed because theyre against the gambling terms?

Can anyone shed any light on this as I was about to buy one!

Cherry Czervik

Came To Her Senses

Join date: 18 Feb 2006

Posts: 3,680

11-21-2007 04:55

If the OWNER seeds it and it gives out randomly = legal.

If people have to put money in and get a random payout then no.

Scarlett Melnik

Techno-Phobe

Join date: 18 Apr 2007

Posts: 137

11-21-2007 04:57

From: Cherry Czervik

If the OWNER seeds it and it gives out randomly = legal.

If people have to put money in and get a random payout then no.

Oh I see - quite a fine line then.. thank you!

Jocgart Larsen

Procrastinator

Join date: 26 Sep 2007

Posts: 195

11-21-2007 05:12

Doubt in here...

That way, Sploders are illegal cause ppl have to put money in to win and Money Orbs are legal cause ppl don't have to put money in?

Scarlett Melnik

Techno-Phobe

Join date: 18 Apr 2007

Posts: 137

11-21-2007 05:14

From: Jocgart Larsen

Doubt in here...

That way, Sploders are illegal cause ppl have to put money in to win and Money Orbs are legal cause ppl don't have to put money in?

That must mean the club I go to use an illegal sploder - we all put money in (including the owner) and then it explodes and we all get random payouts..

hmmm

Travis Lambert

White dog, red collar

Join date: 3 Jun 2004

Posts: 2,819

11-21-2007 05:34

There are some Liasons that indeed interpret the ToS to mean that sploders are a violation. Use at your own risk.

Additionally, sploders are on the first page of the "Gambling Equipment Removal List" thread that's stickied at the top of this forum.

_____________________

------------------
The Shelter

The Shelter is a non-profit recreation center for new residents, and supporters of new residents. Our goal is to provide a positive & supportive social environment for those looking for one in our overwhelming world.

Scarlett Melnik

Techno-Phobe

Join date: 18 Apr 2007

Posts: 137

11-21-2007 05:44

From: Travis Lambert

There are some Liasons that indeed interpret the ToS to mean that sploders are a violation. Use at your own risk.

Additionally, sploders are on the first page of the "Gambling Equipment Removal List" thread that's stickied at the top of this forum.

Yeha I had a read through that thread - but there seemed to some confusion, i couldn't really find an answer.

I think it's best to just leave it, not worth the hassel!

Jocgart Larsen

Procrastinator

Join date: 26 Sep 2007

Posts: 195

11-21-2007 05:45

I've heard too that if an sploder is registered (dunno the way to register them

) it's legal... So many things...

There are also sploders where the owner has set to put like 100 lindens before starting, then each person can add 10/15/25... whatever... Is that legal? You can earn a pot...

Dunno, too much questions bout it...

Leanne Karas

Registered User

Join date: 22 Feb 2007

Posts: 126

11-21-2007 05:49

Games of "chance" are illegal if you have to pay money in - such as the old sploders.

Skill based games, for example, timed sploders - where they go off at a predetermined time (which is announced when the countdown starts) and the last person that pays into the sploder before the timer goes off wins half of the pot, or whatever, then that is skill based and therefore not "technically" gambling.

That's what I can gather from the sploders I have seen around... there are also other ones that require you to answer trivia questions and such.

Again, skill based games for money are allowed under the TOS but random chance gambling games are not...

Perhaps it's one of the newer types that the club you mention has got, if not then it is definitely illegal under the LL TOS.

Travis Lambert

White dog, red collar

Join date: 3 Jun 2004

Posts: 2,819

11-21-2007 06:51

For the Shelter 3-year anniversary party back in August, I put out a money machine (using my own funds) that paid out L$3 every 3 minutes to anyone under 30 days old.

After the machine was running for about an hour, a Liason silently came by, and the money machine went poof.

Based on my own experience, I can only assume money machines aren't allowed under the new rules, regardless of who is paying into it.

_____________________

------------------
The Shelter

The Shelter is a non-profit recreation center for new residents, and supporters of new residents. Our goal is to provide a positive & supportive social environment for those looking for one in our overwhelming world.

Haravikk Mistral

Registered User

Join date: 8 Oct 2005

Posts: 2,482

11-21-2007 06:53

Who was the liason? Because surely that means camping chairs and money-trees are similarly illegal?

_____________________

Computer (Mac Pro):
2 x Quad Core 3.2ghz Xeon
10gb DDR2 800mhz FB-DIMMS
4 x 750gb, 32mb cache hard-drives (RAID-0/striped)
NVidia GeForce 8800GT (512mb)

Haravikk Mistral

Registered User

Join date: 8 Oct 2005

Posts: 2,482

11-21-2007 06:58

Who was the liason? Because surely that means camping chairs and money-trees are similarly illegal?

_____________________

Computer (Mac Pro):
2 x Quad Core 3.2ghz Xeon
10gb DDR2 800mhz FB-DIMMS
4 x 750gb, 32mb cache hard-drives (RAID-0/striped)
NVidia GeForce 8800GT (512mb)

Cherry Czervik

Came To Her Senses

Join date: 18 Feb 2006

Posts: 3,680

11-21-2007 07:24

From: Travis Lambert

For the Shelter 3-year anniversary party back in August, I put out a money machine (using my own funds) that paid out L$3 every 3 minutes to anyone under 30 days old.

After the machine was running for about an hour, a Liason silently came by, and the money machine went poof.

Based on my own experience, I can only assume money machines aren't allowed under the new rules, regardless of who is paying into it.

I'd have queried that one ... it should have been fine.

If there is money in from someone and a random payout then it is gambling.

Ordinal Malaprop

really very ordinary

Join date: 9 Sep 2005

Posts: 4,607

11-21-2007 07:27

From: Travis Lambert

For the Shelter 3-year anniversary party back in August, I put out a money machine (using my own funds) that paid out L$3 every 3 minutes to anyone under 30 days old.

After the machine was running for about an hour, a Liason silently came by, and the money machine went poof.

Based on my own experience, I can only assume money machines aren't allowed under the new rules, regardless of who is paying into it.

I think you had a Liaison who thought it was a regular "lottery" machine - gambling requires _some_ sort of pay-in on the part of the gambler, even by the vague terms of the policy, otherwise it's just random generosity.

_____________________

http://ordinalmalaprop.com/forum/ - visit Ordinal's Scripting Colloquium for scripting discussion with actual working BBCode!

http://ordinalmalaprop.com/engine/ - An Engine Fit For My Proceeding, my Aethernet Journal

http://www.flickr.com/groups/slgriefbuild/ - Second Life Griefbuild Digest, pictures of horrible ad griefing and land spam, and the naming of names

Bodhisatva Paperclip

Tip: Savor pie, bald chap

Join date: 12 Jan 2007

Posts: 970

11-21-2007 08:26

From: Ordinal Malaprop

I think you had a Liaison who thought it was a regular "lottery" machine - gambling requires _some_ sort of pay-in on the part of the gambler, even by the vague terms of the policy, otherwise it's just random generosity.

I agree. That makes no sense that it was nabbed. I've got a philanthropy attachment that does something similar and I can't imagine a good reason to confiscate it

_____________________

I've trademarked the apostrophe. You're in trouble but you are not.

Travis Lambert

White dog, red collar

Join date: 3 Jun 2004

Posts: 2,819

11-21-2007 08:58

In fairness, I suppose its possible that the Liason stopped by simply to wish us well - and the money machine poofed of its own accord due to some strange technical reason.

I've just always assumed that the machine was a casualty of the gambling ban

_____________________

------------------
The Shelter

The Shelter is a non-profit recreation center for new residents, and supporters of new residents. Our goal is to provide a positive & supportive social environment for those looking for one in our overwhelming world.

Welcome to the Second Life Forums Archive

Money Sploders - are they legal?

Money Sploders - are they legal?
Scarlett Melnik Techno-Phobe Join date: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 137	11-21-2007 04:53 My favourite club has a money spolder and it's great fun - everyone wins something. But i've heard they're not actually allowed because theyre against the gambling terms? Can anyone shed any light on this as I was about to buy one!
Cherry Czervik Came To Her Senses Join date: 18 Feb 2006 Posts: 3,680	11-21-2007 04:55 If the OWNER seeds it and it gives out randomly = legal. If people have to put money in and get a random payout then no.
Scarlett Melnik Techno-Phobe Join date: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 137	11-21-2007 04:57 From: Cherry Czervik If the OWNER seeds it and it gives out randomly = legal. If people have to put money in and get a random payout then no. Oh I see - quite a fine line then.. thank you!
Jocgart Larsen Procrastinator Join date: 26 Sep 2007 Posts: 195	11-21-2007 05:12 Doubt in here... That way, Sploders are illegal cause ppl have to put money in to win and Money Orbs are legal cause ppl don't have to put money in?
Scarlett Melnik Techno-Phobe Join date: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 137	11-21-2007 05:14 From: Jocgart Larsen Doubt in here... That way, Sploders are illegal cause ppl have to put money in to win and Money Orbs are legal cause ppl don't have to put money in? That must mean the club I go to use an illegal sploder - we all put money in (including the owner) and then it explodes and we all get random payouts.. hmmm
Travis Lambert White dog, red collar Join date: 3 Jun 2004 Posts: 2,819	11-21-2007 05:34 There are some Liasons that indeed interpret the ToS to mean that sploders are a violation. Use at your own risk. Additionally, sploders are on the first page of the "Gambling Equipment Removal List" thread that's stickied at the top of this forum. _____________________ ------------------ The Shelter The Shelter is a non-profit recreation center for new residents, and supporters of new residents. Our goal is to provide a positive & supportive social environment for those looking for one in our overwhelming world.
Scarlett Melnik Techno-Phobe Join date: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 137	11-21-2007 05:44 From: Travis Lambert There are some Liasons that indeed interpret the ToS to mean that sploders are a violation. Use at your own risk. Additionally, sploders are on the first page of the "Gambling Equipment Removal List" thread that's stickied at the top of this forum. Yeha I had a read through that thread - but there seemed to some confusion, i couldn't really find an answer. I think it's best to just leave it, not worth the hassel!
Jocgart Larsen Procrastinator Join date: 26 Sep 2007 Posts: 195	11-21-2007 05:45 I've heard too that if an sploder is registered (dunno the way to register them ) it's legal... So many things... There are also sploders where the owner has set to put like 100 lindens before starting, then each person can add 10/15/25... whatever... Is that legal? You can earn a pot... Dunno, too much questions bout it...
Leanne Karas Registered User Join date: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 126	11-21-2007 05:49 Games of "chance" are illegal if you have to pay money in - such as the old sploders. Skill based games, for example, timed sploders - where they go off at a predetermined time (which is announced when the countdown starts) and the last person that pays into the sploder before the timer goes off wins half of the pot, or whatever, then that is skill based and therefore not "technically" gambling. That's what I can gather from the sploders I have seen around... there are also other ones that require you to answer trivia questions and such. Again, skill based games for money are allowed under the TOS but random chance gambling games are not... Perhaps it's one of the newer types that the club you mention has got, if not then it is definitely illegal under the LL TOS.
Travis Lambert White dog, red collar Join date: 3 Jun 2004 Posts: 2,819	11-21-2007 06:51 For the Shelter 3-year anniversary party back in August, I put out a money machine (using my own funds) that paid out L$3 every 3 minutes to anyone under 30 days old. After the machine was running for about an hour, a Liason silently came by, and the money machine went poof. Based on my own experience, I can only assume money machines aren't allowed under the new rules, regardless of who is paying into it. _____________________ ------------------ The Shelter The Shelter is a non-profit recreation center for new residents, and supporters of new residents. Our goal is to provide a positive & supportive social environment for those looking for one in our overwhelming world.
Haravikk Mistral Registered User Join date: 8 Oct 2005 Posts: 2,482	11-21-2007 06:53 Who was the liason? Because surely that means camping chairs and money-trees are similarly illegal? _____________________ Computer (Mac Pro): 2 x Quad Core 3.2ghz Xeon 10gb DDR2 800mhz FB-DIMMS 4 x 750gb, 32mb cache hard-drives (RAID-0/striped) NVidia GeForce 8800GT (512mb)
Haravikk Mistral Registered User Join date: 8 Oct 2005 Posts: 2,482	11-21-2007 06:58 Who was the liason? Because surely that means camping chairs and money-trees are similarly illegal? _____________________ Computer (Mac Pro): 2 x Quad Core 3.2ghz Xeon 10gb DDR2 800mhz FB-DIMMS 4 x 750gb, 32mb cache hard-drives (RAID-0/striped) NVidia GeForce 8800GT (512mb)
Cherry Czervik Came To Her Senses Join date: 18 Feb 2006 Posts: 3,680	11-21-2007 07:24 From: Travis Lambert For the Shelter 3-year anniversary party back in August, I put out a money machine (using my own funds) that paid out L$3 every 3 minutes to anyone under 30 days old. After the machine was running for about an hour, a Liason silently came by, and the money machine went poof. Based on my own experience, I can only assume money machines aren't allowed under the new rules, regardless of who is paying into it. I'd have queried that one ... it should have been fine. If there is money in from someone and a random payout then it is gambling.
Ordinal Malaprop really very ordinary Join date: 9 Sep 2005 Posts: 4,607	11-21-2007 07:27 From: Travis Lambert For the Shelter 3-year anniversary party back in August, I put out a money machine (using my own funds) that paid out L$3 every 3 minutes to anyone under 30 days old. After the machine was running for about an hour, a Liason silently came by, and the money machine went poof. Based on my own experience, I can only assume money machines aren't allowed under the new rules, regardless of who is paying into it. I think you had a Liaison who thought it was a regular "lottery" machine - gambling requires _some_ sort of pay-in on the part of the gambler, even by the vague terms of the policy, otherwise it's just random generosity. _____________________ http://ordinalmalaprop.com/forum/ - visit Ordinal's Scripting Colloquium for scripting discussion with actual working BBCode! http://ordinalmalaprop.com/engine/ - An Engine Fit For My Proceeding, my Aethernet Journal http://www.flickr.com/groups/slgriefbuild/ - Second Life Griefbuild Digest, pictures of horrible ad griefing and land spam, and the naming of names
Bodhisatva Paperclip Tip: Savor pie, bald chap Join date: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 970	11-21-2007 08:26 From: Ordinal Malaprop I think you had a Liaison who thought it was a regular "lottery" machine - gambling requires _some_ sort of pay-in on the part of the gambler, even by the vague terms of the policy, otherwise it's just random generosity. I agree. That makes no sense that it was nabbed. I've got a philanthropy attachment that does something similar and I can't imagine a good reason to confiscate it _____________________ I've trademarked the apostrophe. You're in trouble but you are not.
Travis Lambert White dog, red collar Join date: 3 Jun 2004 Posts: 2,819	11-21-2007 08:58 In fairness, I suppose its possible that the Liason stopped by simply to wish us well - and the money machine poofed of its own accord due to some strange technical reason. I've just always assumed that the machine was a casualty of the gambling ban _____________________ ------------------ The Shelter The Shelter is a non-profit recreation center for new residents, and supporters of new residents. Our goal is to provide a positive & supportive social environment for those looking for one in our overwhelming world.