Resident Answer - Increasing Prim Count on My Land

OK.. I've noticed that lately there have been more threads asking about prim count than I remember from the rest of my time here. (Chaos was the first of said influx that I noticed) so I decided to write a quick FAQ on if, how, and when it can be done, here in the forums. There is no question, but an answer to a common one lately::

Q:Can I increase the prim count for my land?
A:Yes, but only by buying more land within the same Sim. You cannot just 'buy prims' without buying land.

Q:Can I increase the prim count in my Sim?
A:No. 15000 is the maximum for any Sim. There are some special cases, unfortunately you aren't one (And aren't going to be one. LL Has made very few special cases out of the thousands of Sims on the grid). If you want more prims for your build, buy a neighboring Sim and spread it out across the two of them (Allowing it to have 30000, though only 15000 in each 'half').

Q:How many prims does my land have if I buy 1024? 2048? 8196?
A:Land is defaulted to 117 prims per 512m. So for each 512m, you will have 117 prims making it:
512-117
1024-234
2048-468
4096-936
and so on. There are some cases where that is not true-read on.

Q:But my friend has 512m with 234 prims!!!!
A:Your friend has land on a 'Private Sim', and its owner has allotted more prims to that parcel. They are allocated from one place in the sim to a different part, so those extra 117 prims aren't really extra. Usually double prim land costs quite a bit more L$ for the privilege. Mainland parcels will always have 117 prims per 512m. No exceptions that I know of.
Does your friend own more land in the same Sim? Land in one Sim owned by one person shares its prims, even if not physically connected. SO if you own a 512m plot in one sim, and elsewhere (In that sim) you own another 1024m, you will have 351 prims total, for use in any of that land. {{THank You Avion Raymaker}}

Q: What about temporary prims!? How can I use those to my advantage!?
A: Don't, generally. Each sim is allowed 500 temporary prims total, across every parcel. They only last a short time, so a building made of them would serve no purpose. They remain only if sat upon or selected(?). So if you don't have the prims for the chairs for a class, make some temporary, and have people sit on them immediately.

Also, temp rezzers (Some cages and other things use this. Click to rez, the item disappears after a short time until clicked again) cause lag in the sim. I don't know how much, but it's generally not friendly, so use sparingly, please. Also available are rez-on-demand items that rez items only when needed (Proximity, click, etc). They are not temp, so do use prims, however, only when they are rezzed, which can allow for more prims when that isn't in use. I assume this can cause the same lag (maybe slightly less) as a normal temp rezzer. {{Thank You Kitty Barnett!}}

Q:Can I use sculpted prims to help me save prims?
A:YES!! By all means do... they can look better as well in some situations. The only problem is that a single sculpted prim can cause more lag than around 7-8 normal prims linked. That doesn't mean that you're going to crash the sim with sculpties, just that you shouldn't use them for things that normally take only a couple prims anyway. If it uses 7+ prims and can be done with one sculpty, by all means do it.


I hope this is found to be useful, at least for the time that it remains visible. Any suggestoins for additions, please post here, I'll add them in when I can.

Nice. Thanks Okiphia!

Also, now posted to:

http://okiphiablog.blogspot.com/

new blog. Yes yes, shameless plug, but oh well... still hope it's helpful ^^

Please feel free to add this to the how to transfer land sticky in this forum and to land-answers.wiki.zoho.com

Thanks!

Nice job, Okiphia! Just a couple comments. I'm not sure what you mean by that above. I think it's going to beg the question, "well how do I get to be one?"



This gets a little confusing, and the way it's worded there doesn't quite ring true. I rent many mainland spaces to tenants who are using far more than 117 prims per 512 parcel. I have 400 sq meter apartments stacked on top of one another where each renter gets 200 prims. It's no different than allocating prims on an estate, except for the fact that you can "officially" allocate them to parcels on the estate. To the renter, that isn't apparent.

Maybe if you add the phrase "if a 512 is all you own in that Sim" or something.

More work than just buying/renting more land, but you can look at things you have rezzed and find ways to reduce their prim count as well, increasing the available prim count .

* Unlinking poseballs: takes some time to get used to doing it right, but over the weekend I got rid of about 40ish poseballs on various bits of mod furniture, putting the anims in another prim instead.

* Rez-on-demand (or whatever the official word for it is ) simply rezzes things when you need them and derezzes them when you don't need them.

My dock has pose-balls and various decorative prims that only rez when someone actually comes near it, when someone comes close to the deck it rezzes various decorative refreshments on the lounge table there, etc.

Nothing is temp-rezzed, so you do need available free prims, but since I'm never on the dock or the deck at the same time, I do "gain" extra prims.

* Look for flaws: noone's perfect, and quite a few builders sell furniture with prims that either serve no purpose (prims that will never be visible), or oversights (two connecting boxes that could be replaced by one), etc

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Added in ^^ Thank you

Most of this is more building.. I don't want to have to add in 3-4 paragraphs describing unlinking and deleting poseballs, then relinking lol... though useful.

And the rez-on-demand kinda thing... doesn't really save prims, but I'll throw it in with the temp-rez, thank you ^^

Done and Done ^^

Hi,

Total newbie here...so please forgive me if this is a stupid question. I did try to find the answer in the forum in case it has been asked - this thread is the closest I've found. If I become a premium member and SL waves the land use fee for the first 512m I buy...does that first 512 m come with 117 prim allowance? So if I buy 1024m instead, am I only charged a land use fee of $5 for 512m (the first 512m land fee being waved) but still have a prim allowance of 234- because I own 1024m?
I checked this chart http://secondlife.com/whatis/landpricing.php
but I'm still...confused...

One more piece of advice I would love - is there a general rule of thumb for the percentage of my prim allowance you all recommend I use on my house itself? Planning on landscape and furniture... or should I just try to add up everything I think I want on my land?

Thanks so much, guys. I'm really happy to have found this forum

The prim allowance is tied to the size of the parcel, so yes a 1024 would have 234 prims available.

As far as the percentage to use for the house, there isn't any good rule. You just need to take into account how much furniture and landscaping you wish to do. I generally don't use every prim available as it is a good idea to have some to spare.

Welcome to the last few days of the forums.

That's correct .

Not to confuse you even more, but:
- if you buy 1536m² then you'd be charged for 1024m² (1536m² - 512m²)
- if you buy 2048m² then you'd be charged for 2048m² (2048m² - 512m² = 1536m² but since that's inbetween the 1024m² and 2048m² you're paying the higher level... which would mean that you could buy another 512m² and not pay more)

There's no golden rule there except "you can never have too many prims" .

With (oblong) sculpties you can really minimize the amount of prims you spend on trees/plants but for a 1024m² it's probably best if the house doesn't use more than 1/3rd of your prim allowance (so the 60-80 prim range).

Hi Chele and welcome to the carcass that is this forum as it is about to be put down.. Dead Forum Walking...

Yes you got that right- you get 117 ofr each 512 and you only pay for the second as the first is included in the premium cost- butyou still have to buy the actual land.

There are several options for new forums to take your questions to in the future- look here for a thread called soemthing about where will everyone go? It's on this page or the next. My personal favorite right now is:
http://www.secondcitizen.net/Forum/index.php

Welcome to SL and happy Necro Posting

Thanks, everyone ! very helpful

What a drag this forum is ending....just when I need it...but I will check out the alternatives mentioned, thanks

Tell a Linden please... we agree, but we don't seem to count..

Good luck

Imogen

I don't understand what was said about temp rezzers not saving you prims on the land. If I'm allowed say 1071 prims on 4096m of land and put 100 prims worth in a temp rezzer, then drop 100 prims more worth of other items on the land, I've saved some prims - right?

Btw I'm using one and have not noticed any lag at all on my land. Perhaps it's because the temp rezzers are made better than they used to be? Now when those snow emitters or butterfly emitters are around, THEN I notice lag! But my temp rezzer (used within reason) seems to be working great & not cause any lag at all.

Here is a good reason why closing the forum is asinine. Sure, IF it is archived someone will be able to search and maybe find a thread, just as the OP has done. But she didn't get her question fully answered. She was able to ask further questions. If archived, this thread would end with the post before hers, and she wouldn't be able to get further answers.