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Foo Spark

alias Bathsheba Dorn

Join date: 8 Nov 2006

Posts: 110

02-02-2007 13:19

http://opensecondlife.org/wiki/OpenSim

The shape of the future?

Winter Ventura

Eclectic Randomness

Join date: 18 Jul 2006

Posts: 2,579

Open source, open source.. RAH RAH RAH!

02-02-2007 13:31

Go Go GO!
Yaaaay team!

No seriously.. this is just OMG wonderful good news. Kudos to the developers to have gotten so far as to allow Login, movement, chat, and object creation!

The first glorious steps towards having the "offline sim" we've all wanted on wednesdays. SOmeplace we could have our own LAN based SL gatherings... our own "native" offline builder.. using the actual client.. with our own offline script compiler and all of that.

This is BEAUTIFUL to see. You guys rock! You have the ball.. so RUN!

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Something Something

Something Estates

Join date: 26 Sep 2006

Posts: 121

02-02-2007 13:47

Except, today's newly-released ToS has language against "server emulators". I guess we'll see soon enough.

Woopsy Dazy

Registered User

Join date: 12 Nov 2006

Posts: 173

02-02-2007 14:06

Don't think the TOS can decide what I'm allowed to do with my computer on my spare time, can it? Unless it uses Lindens servers of course.

Foo Spark

alias Bathsheba Dorn

Join date: 8 Nov 2006

Posts: 110

02-02-2007 15:25

I've heard it said that LL sold itself to its VC's as "we will be the Microsoft of VR", but that they've known all along that they can only hope to be the Red Hat of VR.

I don't know anything about their business model, but it does seem likely to me that this sort of resource-intensive VR can't scale the way it should while remaining centralized. After all, Google doesn't host the WWW, all it does is index it, and it already has to be huge. If we imagine an SL-type world the size of the WWW, it would require a company several orders of magnitude larger -- it'd be more like the US government than like Microsoft.

I find it much more plausible (and satisfying) to imagine many open-source sims and a protocol to link them. IMO that's where this is going; the only question is whether LL will be the ones to take us there. Being Red Hat is nothing to sneeze at...if LL's idealistic side can win this one, I'll go with them and be happy.

My personal stake in it is that I feel that LL's sim setup is awesome proof of concept -- they took a big risk and it's truly visionary, and I hope they all live happily ever after -- but I'm looking for a lot more flexibility than the intensely reality-based model that we live2 in now. This here is nice, but it's like a WWW where everybody's page is made from the same template....

Beugul Burleigh

Registered User

Join date: 26 Jun 2005

Posts: 8

02-02-2007 16:25

Awesome news! Can't wait for updates!

Something Something

Something Estates

Join date: 26 Sep 2006

Posts: 121

02-02-2007 17:01

From: Foo Spark

I've heard it said that LL sold itself to its VC's as "we will be the Microsoft of VR", but that they've known all along that they can only hope to be the Red Hat of VR.

I don't know anything about their business model, but it does seem likely to me that this sort of resource-intensive VR can't scale the way it should while remaining centralized.

Probably LL's ultimate plan is to get out of the business of writing either client or server source code, just open it all up and let other people do it. If this enables the 3D web to grow explosively, LL can make more money as a niche player in a huge market segment than as the sole owner of a small market segment.

In particular, with Linden dollars LL has created something that has so far completely eluded the 2D web: a working micropayment system. Remember Beenz and Flooz and other dot-bomb virtual currencies? They weren't bad ideas in principle, they could just never get over the chicken-and-egg barrier to acceptance.

If LL plays their cards right, they can set themselves up as the PayPal of the 3D web. Indeed, it's not out of the question that Linden dollars could someday be accepted for payment on the traditional 2D web. If they can pull it off, it could be big. It would also mean washing their hands of all the pesky resident drama and, you know, that whole "SL is a country" vision thing.

Simstick Boram

Registered User

Join date: 3 Dec 2006

Posts: 87

Some of you are pretty close with your guess.

02-02-2007 19:06

Now hear it from the Source.
http://secondlife.reuters.com/stories/2007/01/26/interview-with-linden-lab-chairman-mitch-kapor-in-davos/
You need to watch the video to hear it all.

From: someone

Interview with Linden Lab chairman Mitch Kapor in Davos
Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:01am PST

By Adam Reuters

SECOND LIFE, Jan 26 (Reuters) - Bureau chief Adam Reuters interviewed Linden Lab chairman Mitch Kapor on Friday from the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, where he talked about why we shouldn’t care about the coming Second Life backlash, whether residents should have a seat on the board, and his in-world mind altering experience.

Chosen Few

Alpha Channel Slave

Join date: 16 Jan 2004

Posts: 7,496

02-02-2007 21:04

From: Simstick Boram

Now hear it from the Source.
http://secondlife.reuters.com/stories/2007/01/26/interview-with-linden-lab-chairman-mitch-kapor-in-davos/
You need to watch the video to hear it all.

Fantastic interview. Thanks for the link, Simstick.

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Lee Ponzu

What Would Steve Do?

Join date: 28 Jun 2006

Posts: 1,770

02-02-2007 23:39

From: Something Something

If LL plays their cards right, they can set themselves up as the PayPal of the 3D web. Indeed, it's not out of the question that Linden dollars could someday be accepted for payment on the traditional 2D web..

And then the Justice Department will subpoena their records to track micro-terrorist fund transfers. The CIA already has an island where they keep the ones they've caught...

Foo Spark

alias Bathsheba Dorn

Join date: 8 Nov 2006

Posts: 110

02-03-2007 22:56

From: Something Something

In particular, with Linden dollars LL has created something that has so far completely eluded the 2D web: a working micropayment system. Remember Beenz and Flooz and other dot-bomb virtual currencies? They weren't bad ideas in principle, they could just never get over the chicken-and-egg barrier to acceptance.

That's a darn good point. They did it by tying the micropayment currency to an addictive drug, but you might be right that the currency could turn out to be as important as the drug.

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Foo Spark alias Bathsheba Dorn Join date: 8 Nov 2006 Posts: 110	02-02-2007 13:19 http://opensecondlife.org/wiki/OpenSim The shape of the future?
Winter Ventura Eclectic Randomness Join date: 18 Jul 2006 Posts: 2,579	Open source, open source.. RAH RAH RAH! 02-02-2007 13:31 Go Go GO! Yaaaay team! No seriously.. this is just OMG wonderful good news. Kudos to the developers to have gotten so far as to allow Login, movement, chat, and object creation! The first glorious steps towards having the "offline sim" we've all wanted on wednesdays. SOmeplace we could have our own LAN based SL gatherings... our own "native" offline builder.. using the actual client.. with our own offline script compiler and all of that. This is BEAUTIFUL to see. You guys rock! You have the ball.. so RUN! _____________________ ● Inworld Store: http://slurl.eclectic-randomness.com ● Website: http://www.eclectic-randomness.com ● Twitter: @WinterVentura
Something Something Something Estates Join date: 26 Sep 2006 Posts: 121	02-02-2007 13:47 Except, today's newly-released ToS has language against "server emulators". I guess we'll see soon enough.
Woopsy Dazy Registered User Join date: 12 Nov 2006 Posts: 173	02-02-2007 14:06 Don't think the TOS can decide what I'm allowed to do with my computer on my spare time, can it? Unless it uses Lindens servers of course.
Foo Spark alias Bathsheba Dorn Join date: 8 Nov 2006 Posts: 110	02-02-2007 15:25 I've heard it said that LL sold itself to its VC's as "we will be the Microsoft of VR", but that they've known all along that they can only hope to be the Red Hat of VR. I don't know anything about their business model, but it does seem likely to me that this sort of resource-intensive VR can't scale the way it should while remaining centralized. After all, Google doesn't host the WWW, all it does is index it, and it already has to be huge. If we imagine an SL-type world the size of the WWW, it would require a company several orders of magnitude larger -- it'd be more like the US government than like Microsoft. I find it much more plausible (and satisfying) to imagine many open-source sims and a protocol to link them. IMO that's where this is going; the only question is whether LL will be the ones to take us there. Being Red Hat is nothing to sneeze at...if LL's idealistic side can win this one, I'll go with them and be happy. My personal stake in it is that I feel that LL's sim setup is awesome proof of concept -- they took a big risk and it's truly visionary, and I hope they all live happily ever after -- but I'm looking for a lot more flexibility than the intensely reality-based model that we live2 in now. This here is nice, but it's like a WWW where everybody's page is made from the same template....
Beugul Burleigh Registered User Join date: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 8	02-02-2007 16:25 Awesome news! Can't wait for updates!
Something Something Something Estates Join date: 26 Sep 2006 Posts: 121	02-02-2007 17:01 From: Foo Spark I've heard it said that LL sold itself to its VC's as "we will be the Microsoft of VR", but that they've known all along that they can only hope to be the Red Hat of VR. I don't know anything about their business model, but it does seem likely to me that this sort of resource-intensive VR can't scale the way it should while remaining centralized. Probably LL's ultimate plan is to get out of the business of writing either client or server source code, just open it all up and let other people do it. If this enables the 3D web to grow explosively, LL can make more money as a niche player in a huge market segment than as the sole owner of a small market segment. In particular, with Linden dollars LL has created something that has so far completely eluded the 2D web: a working micropayment system. Remember Beenz and Flooz and other dot-bomb virtual currencies? They weren't bad ideas in principle, they could just never get over the chicken-and-egg barrier to acceptance. If LL plays their cards right, they can set themselves up as the PayPal of the 3D web. Indeed, it's not out of the question that Linden dollars could someday be accepted for payment on the traditional 2D web. If they can pull it off, it could be big. It would also mean washing their hands of all the pesky resident drama and, you know, that whole "SL is a country" vision thing.
Simstick Boram Registered User Join date: 3 Dec 2006 Posts: 87	Some of you are pretty close with your guess. 02-02-2007 19:06 Now hear it from the Source. http://secondlife.reuters.com/stories/2007/01/26/interview-with-linden-lab-chairman-mitch-kapor-in-davos/ You need to watch the video to hear it all. From: someone Interview with Linden Lab chairman Mitch Kapor in Davos Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:01am PST By Adam Reuters SECOND LIFE, Jan 26 (Reuters) - Bureau chief Adam Reuters interviewed Linden Lab chairman Mitch Kapor on Friday from the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, where he talked about why we shouldn’t care about the coming Second Life backlash, whether residents should have a seat on the board, and his in-world mind altering experience.
Chosen Few Alpha Channel Slave Join date: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 7,496	02-02-2007 21:04 From: Simstick Boram Now hear it from the Source. http://secondlife.reuters.com/stories/2007/01/26/interview-with-linden-lab-chairman-mitch-kapor-in-davos/ You need to watch the video to hear it all. Fantastic interview. Thanks for the link, Simstick. _____________________ . Land now available for rent in Indigo. Low rates. Quiet, low-lag mainland sim with good neighbors. IM me in-world if you're interested.
Lee Ponzu What Would Steve Do? Join date: 28 Jun 2006 Posts: 1,770	02-02-2007 23:39 From: Something Something If LL plays their cards right, they can set themselves up as the PayPal of the 3D web. Indeed, it's not out of the question that Linden dollars could someday be accepted for payment on the traditional 2D web.. And then the Justice Department will subpoena their records to track micro-terrorist fund transfers. The CIA already has an island where they keep the ones they've caught...
Foo Spark alias Bathsheba Dorn Join date: 8 Nov 2006 Posts: 110	02-03-2007 22:56 From: Something Something In particular, with Linden dollars LL has created something that has so far completely eluded the 2D web: a working micropayment system. Remember Beenz and Flooz and other dot-bomb virtual currencies? They weren't bad ideas in principle, they could just never get over the chicken-and-egg barrier to acceptance. That's a darn good point. They did it by tying the micropayment currency to an addictive drug, but you might be right that the currency could turn out to be as important as the drug.

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