Cautionary Tale - 3200L for a 4096

I'm pretty gutted as I write this.

Bearing in mind I am no newbie and I've done my fair share of buying and selling land ...

I try to set my land for sale. Unable to sell ... estate owner has to claim it and sell it to me for 0L to set it to sale as I had full perms ... shouldn't have happened.

I set three 4096 bits of prime beach for 32K each (i.e. pretty much sale price when I bought them - not looking to profit, looking to clear tier cos of RL issues).

Both myself and my partner checked that the price was 32K each, and I made a joke about it being my nightmare to sell for 3200 instead of 320000. He's a coder so you can imagine he'd have noticed if I did anything stupid.

I didn't. Definitely 32K. Next day my balance is up ... and I notice because of course despite what the website says I can't buy Lindens.

I wonder ... what's this? Can't be land sale ... check my account ... yep.

The woman next door had actually come over to my business venture but she didn't say anything. I've sent her a mail saying 'surely you realise it was something gone wrong with SL' but I know I can kiss goodbye to the rest of the sale price that should have been mine.

Oh well. What's $100 anyway, sure I can afford to throw that sort of money away /sarcasmend - at least the tier is cancelled.

Make sure you go back and check, because not only had that land gone for 3200 instead of 320000, the corner lot had also reverted to being back to no sale and not able to be sold - the owner had to come and claim it and sell it back for 0L again. He felt absolutely awful but then what could HE do either?

Anyone remind me why I bother playing? I am REALLY wondering if all the work and effort and care are worth it when the people I really care for - friends and my partner - are now all just as much rl contact (if they weren't known RL in the first place) as they are SL ...
(Note this question is rhetorical so I will paraphrase it ... SL truly sucks right now).

If it's a bug, there is a chance LL will come through for you. Submit a support ticket and keep us posted.

Damn that sucks. Good luck with the bug report, Cherry.

Thanks guys. I never even thought of doing that (my expectations are very low I have to say but I will try it).

I'm a little confused. If you're on a private estate, and the owner is so helpful, can't he take back the land that somehow sold for far too low a price? You give back the 3200 and get your land back to sell at the proper price.

absolutely right Ava,

Talk to the sim owner, they can reclaim the land and you can start all over again.

I'm also totaly confused. You say you sold it for 3,200 instead of 32K. Then you said you wanted 320,000 (320K). If you do put in a bug report you'll need to make sure you get the history correct.

Personally, I think if you live on an estate then the estate manager needs to 'Manage' the estate and should indeed reclaim the land for you to resel at an acceptable price. Linden Labs are transferring power and managment capabilities to these people so try it. As long as you refund the L$3200 so everything is even. It's obvious to anyone with a brain that you didnt intentionally mean to sell a 4096sqm plot for L$3200 so the buyer should accept this and if they dont then so be it, the estate owner has the final word.

He's right I did typo up there. It was 5am tho!!! 32K was what I was going for at the time.

Others ... thank you. The estate owner said there was nothing at all he could do ...

I didn't realise that there was something that he could do, perhaps I should point him towards this thread ...

I doubt, tbh, that it will do any good.

Just a little correction, an estate manager can *not* reclaim land, only the estate owner can do that.

I'm both, manager for a few sims and owner of one. My first thought was "sure, I would reclaim and undo the deal". But (without saying *anything* about this particular case): how can the seller prove that he really only got 3,200 instead of 32k? Again, that's just a general question: what if a seller says he got only 3,200 because of his own mistake or sl trouble - but the buyer says "hey I DID pay 32k!"? How to find out the truth?

Cherry, nothing against you, but that's a question I'm asking myself after thinking about the problem for a bit longer. As I said, my first reflex would have been to reclaim the land when the seller gives back the 3,200 to the buyer.

My account statement shows it ...

This is the owner of the Estate, not the Manager. And until recently (when for a lot of political reasons elsewhere, and nothing to do with me, meant a lot of people with spare time on their hands) the Estate owner had actually asked me to be an Island Hostess aka a Manager.

Trust isn't an issue here though I can certainly see why you'd say that.

This makes me very sad all round actually, the money is the least upsetting part of it.

Yes, Cherry as you have a copy of the amount the buyer paid you, they should also have a copy in transaction history of the amount they paid you. If they claim it was more than 3200L then they can prove it. The esatate owner should be able to help you thorugh this one, but it depends if theyre 'user' friendly or not.

Good luck

Yes, but the problem is, that for a real "criminal mind" it is no problem at all to "build" a copy of his account history that shows that he payed 32k (or for a fraudulent seller that he only received 3,200). As long as LL says "Sorry, we don't get involved in private transactions." there is no real way to prove anything.

Sorry, I was using the term 'Manager' to mean the same as 'owner'. Ultimately who ever owns the estate could take action if they wished. The managers obviously couldnt as they are just subordinates and are not worthy.

/me hides

Once the presence of a bug has been proved. All we've got is the OP saying "it was definitely 32,000". LL still need to investigate whether or not there was a bug. If not, then it is the OP's error and the estate managers and LL should stay well out of it. If the presence of a bug is proven, then yes, the estate managers should enforce a reversal of the transaction to return both parties to their pre-sale status. Best to wait and see what LL come back with first, because I can't see an estate manager confiscating the OP's neighbour's newly bought land just on the OP's word that it wasn't their fault (I know I wouldn't if I were a sim manager).

It's cute that in this very message you variously refer to the price as 32k and 320k. Presumably 32k is the real price, shame you didn't put 320000 in by accident instead of 3200 in the first place.

Harsh but fair, I think.
Raises a good point - no one holds it against you that you made a typo, we all do. However, if you can make a typo on the forum, you can do it in-world too, on the land sale interface for example. See our point?

Exactly. Don't put your land for sale when you're sleepy.

I personally highly doubt the typo was made in game if the OP and their friend checked it multiple times to make sure. That and the other parcel of land reverting to not for sale? Yea, SL bug...there are other threads out there about the same issue. I also see no where in the OPs post about them being sleepy when they set the land for sale, just when posting on the forums lol. It is too bad that LL more than likely will *not* do anything about this or help out at all, especially with it being on a privately owned sim.

Account histories can be edited, it's true. Maybe estate owners should get access to all land transaction details on their estates. It's the kind of thing you'd want to keep tabs on- after all it's always the estate owner's land in effect. Linden Lab does have the transaction histories, they just don't want to divert their time and effort into playing judge on stuff like this.

Maybe someone would propose for estate owners to get a web page showing all land sales on their sims?