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CopyBot: Has anyone tried turning off building?

Winter Ventura
Eclectic Randomness
Join date: 18 Jul 2006
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11-16-2006 00:43
Okay maybe I'm wrong.. I'm no genius with computers... skilled yes, but no genius.

1. Copybot can replicate clothing and skins and shapes and textures.
  1. From what the libSL guys have said, and others seem to have confirmed, the bot does not STORE the clothing, shapes, or textures into inventory.. so after quitting the drone program, the "look" that so many fear will be copied.. is gone. Since the drone cannot DO much of anything on it's own, it can't click "save as" nr can it "give a copy" to anyone on the grid.

    So clothing, skins, and shapes are safe.


2. Copybot has already been modified, to ignore !quit.
  1. An early (2 days ago) attempt was made to exploit the shutdown command that the original author installed in his creation. The problem was that in order to shut it down, you had to IM the phrase "quit" at it. Since the copybot is "just another avatar" as far as SL is concerned, a script was written quickly to IM *EVERYONE* in a 96m radius. The author has since apologized publically for not thinking the consequenses through). NOw.. of course, the bad guys have already adapted to that fix, and Copybot2 no longer can be killed with a !quit IM.

    So everyone "protecting themselves" with these is now ONLY annoying legitimate customers, neighbors, and passersby. - (remember that spamming is a violation of the TOS too)


3. Copybot can replicate attachments and may be able to copy objects via UUID.
  1. I admit, I haven't seen this thing in action personally. but I'd like to. From what I'm given to understand, Copybot will replicate attachments.. MANUALLY. but rezzing prims, copying specs for each prim into the new prim, aligning it and texturing it. again and again and again, until it has built the entire attachment. In terms of some furries, we're talking hundreds of prims. The key is that it must REZ PRIMS one by one, to get the job done. The ONLY element of copybot's behaviour which stores items in inventory.. is this building mechanism.

    So wouldn't disabling guest-building on your land, solve this issue?


Oh, of course it's true, that disabling building in a shop would mean that shoppers couldn't rez and open boxes. BUT.. in all honesty, this is FAR LESS annoying to the consumers than closing your shops entirely, or spamming every person within 96m with countless IMs from 30 spambots hidden behind banlines.

A message I received inworld from the original author of the "Simple Copybot Defeater" follows.

From: Ethan Cinquetti
Hello,

I'm dropping this because you either obtained, or are being annoyed by, a script I released into the wild earlier this week to deal with the freeware version of CopyBot.

If you're running these, it's time to take them all down. They've outlived their usefulness.

If you delete them and are still receiving the periodic messages to !quit, try clearing your cache (Control-P -> Network -> Clear Cache ) and relogging. The current version of SL occasionally causes object-to-avatar IM queues to become stuck, especially in laggy sims.

If you're still hearing the message after that, you may be picking up another message from a nearby script. If you can locate the object, and it's my unaltered original script, clicking the object should stop it from constantly IMing you.

As I predicted when I gave the script out, it was quickly outmaneuvered as copybot operators discovered a simple workaround.

Rather than attempt to refine the script, I decided to remove it from SLExchange and the forums, and await the technical and policy efforts of the Lindens, which were showing signs of emerging at the time.

Unfortunately, since I did that, two bad things that I didn't properly anticipate have happened.

First, the script I gave away has become WAY too widely used, and is now annoying numbers of folks on The Grid in saturated areas.

Second, after I stopped distributing it, several spammy, laggy, and totally ineffective variations appeared almost immediately, doing things like shouting "!quit" in a tight loop. (The freeware copybot doesn't respond to chat; the command must be IM'd.)

In retrospect, it would've been far better to take a few hours to come up with something a bit friendlier and more controllable...but, like many, I woke up and was shocked by the news that had developed overnight, and thought this might provide a temporary countermeasure.

If you've been inconvenienced by this more than helped, or are being inconvenienced now, I do apologize. Folks are worried right now, and as the calming light of reason sets in (and a policy with some teeth is put in place by the Lindens), this, too, shall pass.

-- ethan cinquetti
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Walker Moore
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Join date: 14 May 2006
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11-16-2006 00:49
From: Winter Ventura

  1. So wouldn't disabling guest-building on your land, solve this issue?

Copybot's agent doesn't have to be on your parcel to replicate builds on it. It has a 75m-100m range IIRC.
Strife Onizuka
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11-16-2006 00:54
This should help calm the storm some.
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Winter Ventura
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11-16-2006 00:57
4. Copybot can replicate objects
  1. Copybot's replication process comes from studying the "physical" statistics of an object or attachment, and it REPLICATES those statistics, with brand new prims. What it can't do, is copy the CONTENTS of those prims. Mnny shopowners closed their shops for fear that one copybot could waltz into their store and steal their whole inventory (of course copybot cant' even walk). Scripts and object contents are not downloaded to the client.

    So people with stuff in boxes, or scripted items.. only risk losing a copy of the plastic shell, or box.. or vendor.. not what's stored inside it.
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Seola Sassoon
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11-16-2006 00:58
From: Winter Ventura
Okay maybe I'm wrong.. I'm no genius with computers... skilled yes, but no genius.

1. Copybot can replicate clothing and skins and shapes and textures.
  1. From what the libSL guys have said, and others seem to have confirmed, the bot does not STORE the clothing, shapes, or textures into inventory.. so after quitting the drone program, the "look" that so many fear will be copied.. is gone. Since the drone cannot DO much of anything on it's own, it can't click "save as" nr can it "give a copy" to anyone on the grid.

    So clothing, skins, and shapes are safe.


I've been trying to tell people about this, and so have some others in world, but I'll clarify just once more.

Obviously, the LibSL script used the !quit command. The program was redone to circumvent that. Which means it was reworked away from LibSL's coding. This also means that later 'upgrades' to the Copybot could have changed from what LibSL has published or what THEY saw on a YouTube video.

This includes a version that DOES copy everything, except scripts and animations. I have seen this tested on me firsthand, but a trusted friend, who did everything the 'original' was supposed to do upon logging out which shouldn't save anything, but the 'creator' gave him another version, that allowed him to recall everything about the original me, when I was in ugly me mode AFTER logging in and out and back in again.

What I do not understand, is that people will openly accept that the program was modded to bypass !quit but refuse to accept that the program could have been modded further to do the things that LibSL's version did not.

I keep getting told 'You're wrong because LibSL's coding doesn't allow that'. Why, if someone can change it away from what LibSL published, can people not believe that it was changed? I know it was for a fact and watched it happen with my own eyes and so have some others in world.

Please don't believe that just because LibSL didn't release the code in world, that someone else got ahold of it and changed it to do what they wanted. That's what happened with the !quit command didn't it?
Alan Kiesler
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11-16-2006 03:36
From: Walker Moore
Copybot's agent doesn't have to be on your parcel to replicate builds on it. It has a 75m-100m range IIRC.


If you own an isloated island sim, shutting off build instead of enabling autoreturn everywhere is quite effective.

If the land is deeded to group, folks with 'owner' perms can bypass this anyway. You can also setup custom roles for the bypass if needed.

I actually had to do this over the weekend (before the whole thing started), on the island I help maintain (being mentioned in Wired is a double-edged sword, and issues with autoreturn has made other group members nervous :P ). Members of the build team on the island have had to make some adjustments since then - in particular to scripted objects - but otherwise we're fairly locked down now I think.

I also had the chance to prove the point during a Reuters interview/demo that was occuring in Hooper. I wandered in, requested the parcel set no-build, and have them copy my av. Attachments did not copy or even rez. Hopefully that makes it into whatever they're doing.

--Alan
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Warda Kawabata
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11-16-2006 03:56
As I understand it, as long as you have no prim-based items rezzed, you are essentially safe from copybot. And making your land no build also hinders copybot immensely.

That still doesn't stop the obvious thief attack.

Thief comes as an alt and buys one item.

He goes to a sandbox and rezzes it for his copybot to copy.

Repeat with as many different alts as he cares to register.

Start selling cloned items.

Get rich of your work; alternatively, make your work freely available and destroy your business.

Until LL provides a convincing explanation for how this can't happen, my store remains closed.
Daisy Rimbaud
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11-17-2006 03:05
This business reminds me of the tizz the music industry went into when it found people could copy CDs. Despite predictions that the whole industry would collapse, in fact people do still go out and buy CDs.

I can't help feeling that this whole thing is blown up out of all proportion.
Zi Ree
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11-17-2006 03:34
I didn't have a look at the copybot source code myself yet, but the way it works makes it simple to circumvent any building restriction you might set on your parcel. I doubt that it will take more than a few minutes to modify copybot accordingly.
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Mikki Wilson
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11-17-2006 12:03
From: Warda Kawabata
As I understand it, as long as you have no prim-based items rezzed, you are essentially safe from copybot. And making your land no build also hinders copybot immensely.

That still doesn't stop the obvious thief attack.

Thief comes as an alt and buys one item.

He goes to a sandbox and rezzes it for his copybot to copy.

Repeat with as many different alts as he cares to register.

Start selling cloned items.

Get rich of your work; alternatively, make your work freely available and destroy your business.

Until LL provides a convincing explanation for how this can't happen, my store remains closed.


Yeh but.....
There are copy right laws in place to enable lible suits. Just think how many kids were sued....successfully.....by members of the music industry. If your items are copied and distributed and/or resold, you have protection in the courts. I think this should cover loss of future income. Fair warning. I am only surmising from articles that I have read int he papers. Maybe it is time for a lawyer to wade in with an opinion