Photography law/ownership question

got theanswers no need to continue this now.

The ever popular response is LL doesn't get involved in Resident disputes
And verbal contracts are usually worth what they are written on- so sorry this happened to you.

the photographer actually..same with any custom work unless you bought creative rights as well..
the reason we go to others is for their ability to create..you pretty much just buy a copy unless you purchase creative rights if they offer it..

that's what i've heard when it's spoken about anyways..

So... You hired an inworld photographer and refused to pay for the pictures taken of you? (O.o)

If you agreed to have them shoot your items, you owe them for the photos, it is not ransom, it is filling your end of the contract. They own the photos. They paid upload fees, spent time taking them and processing them. If you are not happy with the results, then come to an agreement about them. This is why I always take my own photos I can then argue with myself lol

did you get a copy of the pictures?

The concept of "Work for Hire" is the opposite of what you have here. If a photographer provides their own equipment, sets their own working conditions, and is otherwise a contractor, it's a contractual obligation. They are assumed to own copyright subject only to the limits of the contract, so you must explicitly get them to sign it over. A work is "for hire" if it is made by an employee...you set their hours and conditions of employment on an ongoing basis and provide their equipment. In that case, the copyright belongs to the business that hired them.

He's got the pictures, you have the money. That sounds fair to me.

Give him the money, and he'll give you the pictures. That sounds fair too.

We don't really have the full story peeps- maybe the pix were not as agreed? I don't know just guessing too - but in any case- whether Nave is in the right or wrong doesn't matter to the bottom line - there is no recourse.

Now, if there had been some sort of contract, say for x amount of pix of such and such and the photog did not produce, perhaps then he could AR for fraud. The again, by the same token, the photog might AR for fraud if he could show he produced what he was supposed to but the buyer reneged? Still - it comes down to no interference - other than as the AR for Fraud as provided in-world.

(Which btw, I have only heard exists and have not confirmed it - so if it doesn't exist at all - let's al pretend I am still lurking, shall we?)

it's over let it go

This actually happens in Real Life too.

Thank you for biting my head off when you did, in fact, use the term in a confused manner in your first post. Could communications perhaps be the root of your problem?

SL arteest + SL immature dramabag = chaos. (^_^)y

done done done

False.

Thanks, fair enough. It's easy to get caught up.

That really sucks.

Unfortunately...LL isn't going to get involved so the short answer is, there's nothing you can do. Aside from bending your pixels over backwards to make nice with the uber sensitive artist photographer.....I would just chalk it up to a lesson learned.

But as an aside...and as an artist/photographer myself.....I find it pretty disappointing when I hear stuff like this. I usually get projects back to people with-in 24 hours and if I can't....I make dam sure I understand completely what they need and when they need it buy. Yeah I'm an artist....but I certainly wouldn't have any issue taking raw shots if that's what the job called for. It's too bad that some who call themselves 'professionals' with-in SL.....are anything but. On the other hand...as much as I am a photographer....I don't presume myself to be a 'professional' (assuming real world standards) and I don't even advertise in SL for it.....however I do take any job I get very seriously and I do my best to produce. Ironic the way the world works sometimes.

I never expected LL to get involved. I never even thought about contacting them.

and

Yes, it's very disappointing to have the pictures of an event that had over 30 people spend uncounted hours designing,building, producing directing, sponsoring and, actually, doing it, cost several $100US to produce, had over 100 guests attend it (we ran it at 2 separate times to be timezone conscious), and was meaningful to a number of people, withheld due to a misunderstanding that could have been avoided.

The photographer/artist has asserted "ownership rights" I ahve the pictures and you're not getting them until I get treated the way I deserve to be. Several friends have attempted to intervene to no avail. Private chats were shared which made it even worse. Go figure.........

The whole thing sucksssssssssssssss

I've purposefully avoided naming names here. The party in question has claimed that they are being bad-mouthed and slandered maliciously and that is so not true.

About now I've given up on even seeing one of the pics.

Someone asked in an IM what the event was btw. It was Tres Beau Designs 5th Anniversary and Grand Re-opening event.

http://network.associationofvirtualworlds.com/events/tres-beau-grand-reopening-in

I'm just,

Nave "the drama queen" Fall

OK, things are a little clearer.

There was no contract, and expectations weren't clear on either side. But that's all water over the dam now.

It's two months after the event. Clearly, the pictures are of less value to you now than they would have been if delivered right away.

1. Decide how MUCH value they have for you.
2. Tell the person, "look, let's just be done with this one way or the other and stop yelling at each other. I'm glad the pictures are ready, but they are a lot later than I had expected. I still want to buy them from you. I'll pay you $LXXXX for no copy/no mod versions, or $LYYYY for full permission versions. That's my top offer. Let me know if you're willing to sell them at that price please."
3. If he says, "Nope, I own the pictures", say "Yes you do. But you have to have the permission of the people in them to display them anywhere. Did you get model releases from everyone?" Then just Mute him and leave him wondering.
4. If he says, "OK", then pay up, get the pix, and everyone's happy. More or less.