Need help with Skybox/First Land Question

I have learned through many shopping escapades that sometimes it is hard to determine the scale of items you are purchasing. This could be me but I am challenged when it comes to this. I currently have a bed that I can't use because it is bigger than my house etc..
So I was lucky enough to finally aquire some First Land. I am planning to buy a nice Skybox for it to start using it right away. I have been shopping SL Exchange and SL Boutique. I found a nice skybox on SL Boutique titled: "Floating Lotus Karma Sutra Skybox" made by Rem Koolhaas. Can someone tell me if this would fit on a First Land plot?

Also I am open to recemendations here. I want the best skybox I can get for the size of space I have to work with. Money is no obstacle. Please suggest away!!!!!!

Thank you for any and all advice!

Yours in SL,
Constance

Constance, while that is a beautiful skybox, I'm pretty sure it will not fit in a 512 plot. It is roomy and square, but most 512 sq.m plots are elongated in one dimension. A friend of mine had that same skybox over a square 1024sq.m plot (2 512s adjacent to one another) and it fit snugly. Also... I'm not sure how many prims it contains, but this is always something to consider on your First Land.

Not familiar with that particular prefab skybox, but your two largest constraints will be prim count and land area.

Depending on the shape of your lot, some structures that might be OK with your prim count limit might not fit on a First Land parcel. A 16 x 32 meter rectangle is fairly common, but there is no constraint on exact shape. If it was 16 x 32, you obviously couldn't place a 20 x 20 skybox on the parcel, even though that could be done with as few as 16 prims!

But the limit of only 117 prims on 512 M2 of land will be your biggest barrier. Look not only for a skybox that fits your lot and budget, but also for very low-prim furnishings. Sometimes functionally equal products from the same merchant have radically different prim counts. For example, I could buy a sexgen bed with as few as 2 prims, or as many as 50 or more, and both would need to be able to rez 2 to 10 additional prims to fully function. Yet the two beds serve precisely the same functions.

Some furnishings will allow you to set up and take down multiple pose ball sets, for different functions. There are 'object ressers' that will allow you to set up and store suites of copyable furnishings, so you can change a skybox from a living room to a bedroom to a party room, as needed...

Good luck getting started. Shop carefully, plan well, and THEN buy. You'll be happy you spent the extra effort.

So I am stumped a little. I am currently renting a lovely little beach house and am allowed to have 800 Prims. Now I have bought my very own First Land and will have to move into a tiny Skybox and have the bare minimum furnishings. What is the point here?
I found another prefab sybox that said ok for 512. So I guess the trick here is maybe keep looking for that.

If anyone else had a great house or skybox for their firstland please tell me about it.

Thanks again!!!!!

The prim count on your beach house would have been supported by a much larger parcel of land than what it occupies. Your rental landlord must have set aside a certain amount of extra land to allow that place you were renting to have more leeway.

For example, on Wailele Isle, we could sell you a bungalo that would, on it's own 512 M2 lot, leave you 47 prims free for your own stuff. The house is 70 prims out of the 117 allowed for 512 M2. Or you could buy the lot, remove the house, and put up an even simpler home, to save on prims. (I sell one 5M x 5M cottage that is only 9 prims, including a scripted door).

Or we could rent you an identical bungalo in our resort, which is on a huge parcel of group land that includes every M2 that isn't parceled off for resale. If you were willing to pay a surcharge, you could use up to 500 prims of stuff, or even more. That is because the resort parcel has several thousand prims still unallocated. Now, we couldn't do that for ALL residents, or the sim would run out of prims! But we could do it, within reason, for the six rental bungalos.

If a skybox or home is advertised as being OK for a 512 M2 lot, it most likely will be well under 117 prims, and will fit on a 16 M x 32 M rectangular lot. But it is always best to contact the seller and verify the prim count and the building base size.

Constance, Contact me In World, I do Custom Builds, and I'm Not expensive, and i Love a Challenge. I'll be on this evening about 11:45 PM Game Time.

Angel.

.. and for the uninitiated .. don't go into that forest without a large ball of string!
Lhorentso, have you any idea how long it took me to get out of it thinking I was still talking to you?!?

The trees where listening!

hehe.

I need to add an animal. Something cute but twister... something half pokemon half squirrel.

LOL

too funny

Another idea around the skybox would be to mod currently free items to be intersting sky homes. I think there are some at GNUbie that can easily be turned into a sky home (not box as my understanding is sky boxes lack windows). I'd drop names but I'd hate to misspell names or items. Oh and one or two that come to mine ARE First Land compliant

SO I went and purchased a nice skybox. It said on the notecard from the vendor will fit a 512 m plot. I was a bet skeptical as it read 20 x 20. But I figured a vendore would be responsiable especially since it said on the notecard fits 512m.
Well I happily set to working away. I pull out my new future home and lay it on the ground. I open it as it was boxed. I found it in my inventory and as I was reading the notecard on assembly I moved the item over and down to the ground. THEN POOF!!!
Some wild chat error message pops up. I tried to read it but those darn things wizz by so fast. It was something about land being full or closed or something. Then I no longer see my item. So I am perplexed in that I couldn't get this error message to memmory quick enough and now am without my item.
So I start searching my inventory for the skybox. I search by using the name at the top and nothing besides the accessories that came with it show. I search Lost and Found and Trash just in case. I start rezzing the items it came with just in case it managed to latch on to one of those. I started a chat in Live Help and got no where. They just asked me to do all the same stuff I had already done on my own and then just did not finish helping.
So here I am again asking my fellow residents for help. Anyone have a simillar issue? Does anyone know what that error message could have been? Anyone know where my item might have disappeared to? I was not editing it at the time I literally just placed it on the ground and poof gone. I did all the beacon searches and all the show transparent. Pretty convinced it is no where on the property. I even flew up as high as I could go just in case and nothing.
If it was two big to fit in where i placed it in my property would that cause it to vanish?

Ok thanks again for all help.

Yours in SL,
Furniture and Skybox Challenged Constance

The message that your parcel is full indicates that you exceeded your prim limit. A 512 sqm parcel can only support approx. 120 prims. A skybox size of 20 x 20 (= 400 sqm) should fit a 512 sqm parcel, if your parcel is more or less rectangular, but either the skybox was built of more prims than you're allowed to place or you already had other objects rezzed on your land (plants, furniture) that counted towards your prim limit.

Items that couldn't be rezzed used to stay in your inventory. Once upon a time at least, when I ran into exactly the same problem on my first plot of land. But right now it's hard to say where objects will end up after a rez error or if they ever turn up again. I'd contact the creator of the item or the shop owner (usually the same person, you can find their name in the properties of the skybox-related objects that you still have in your inventory, or tp to the shop and look up the land owner's name in the land properties). Explain the case to them; they'll most likely trade you a replacement.

I hate to say this, but your vendor is wrong. 20mx20m does not fit on a 512 parcel. 512's are generally about 16m x 32m.

As for the disappearing, I was helping someone last night with this same problem with one of my Sky Houses. What was happening with her was that she was rezzing the house from the "short" end of the parcel and it was overlapping enough onto the neighbor parcels, which were full. The house was being returned because it was overlapping full parcels. When I had her rez the house standing on the "long" side of the parcel, it landed within her parcel boundaries and was fine.

She also had a problem with the house not dropping back into inventory when it was returned and the house had changed permissions to no-copy. I'm thinking this is a bug that needs to be addressed. If the house still doesn't show back up, ask the seller for a new copy - I was more than happy to provide one for my customer.

Listen I would love to have you take a look and maybe show me some of your work. I am not certain that I will be on at that time tonight but I will keep an eye out for you. I am normally hanging out between 4:30 am SL to around 6:30 am SL. Also at night from around 4:30 pm SL to around 10:30 pm SL.

Look forward to meeting you!!!
Yours in SL,
Constance

If you're going to be living in the sky, remember to lock your prims...it's a long way down if you accidentally delete your floor...

whistles quietly and walks away*

I'm a total newbie here...so I have no idea if this is applicable. But aren't there "Inventory Issues right now? Could this be part of the reason why your skybox is "gone"?

http://blog.secondlife.com/2006/12/07/restoration-of-inventories-moved-to-another-database/

lol, no kidding, my one prim wide room for a view, took the floor and whoosh! Kept having to tp home and click sit fast enough as the flight bracelet wouldn't let me stay in the spot long enough!

Weekdays i'm on for an Few Hours before two PM (All times SL, I live on the west coast, so My time IS SL time), and am on again from Midnight, sometimes as late as Four. Weekends i get a Little more Daytime in as well. I Just finished a Fantastic Build (My Humble opinion) for a Lawyers Office. If you IM me In Game, whether i am On or Not, i will send you the Landmark so you can Look. Now i'm In the Process of Finishing a Bistro for a Poets group. I've Built as small as a Few Dozen Prims, or as Large as One single Five story Structure that covered a Quarter of a Sim, So,, I think we can Build you something comfortable, beautiful, and economical on Prims.

A.

So I want to sing some ones praises here. I want to preface it by I have no affilation with this person and business in world or out. As you all know I bought a skybox from an unnamed vendor. It said specifically on the literature provided works for 512m. So not only did it NOT work it disappered when rezzed and has not returned since. I intend to have a talk with this vendor as I am sure there intentions were good.

NOW I asked for help and guidance here and was met with much good feedback. One certain builder named Isablan Neva answered some of my questions and gently let me know she had skyhouses for sale. So I went last night to where they are for sale. Let me tell you it was the best shopping/buying trip. All the beautiful designed skyhouses are there at her store. You can teleport into them and get a good feel for how it would be to live in it before you buy! She provided notecards that give full descriptions and reccemendations on using the skyhouses like what is best for x amount of land etc. The ones that are designed for 512m are low prim but still have some nice details. So of course I purchased one of them. Once I got it to my land, again I was met with a pleasant surprise of very detailed instructions in rezzing and setting up the skyhouse. Me being such a klutz, this was keystone. It was up and ready to decorate in two minutes flat! I met with a friend this morning who also reccently found herself in need of a skyhouse and she was impressed and purchased one for her land too. So all I can say is Kudos to you Isablan. Your work is gorgeous, detailed, user friendly, thought out, and very affordable! I will be sending everyone to your store who asks for a skyhouse!

Now of course I cant have finished the whole set up process with out folly. Otherwise I wouldn't be me. Word to the wise....I set my skyhouse to 280 like it is recemended in the notecard from Isablan. I started adding my furniture etc. Then I decided because of being right at the door of someone elses skybox to raise my altitude. Well I did it standing in the middle of the house lol. So in a blink the house was up 200 more in altitude, but myself and all my things were still at 280. LOL Thank you for whoever gave me my flight ring when I was a newbie running around lost. I had to fly around collecting all my objects and then fly back up to the house! Lesson learned always sit on the bench!

And thank you for all who offered to help. I am enjoying my new sky home but will keep everyones names in mind for when I am ready for a change!

Yours in SL,
Constance

Awww *blush* thank you Constance. This really wasn't necessary, I'm happy you got settled and it's all good. As I said yesterday, the other vendor may not know the actual sizes for a first land parcel, so don't be too hard on them. But, do send them an IM so that they can make adjustments. Customer feedback is what makes vendors better, if you are disappointed or unhappy please let the creator know so they can improve.