A Land Joining Puzzle (to me)
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Phil Deakins
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07-29-2008 16:43
Is it possible to join 2 pieces of land that don't share a common border, but do share a common corner?
In the sim where my store is, there have been a number of 16m pieces, at unrealistically high prices, for some time. They all share borders/sides with my land, and I'd tried to buy them at reasonable prices - I got 2 or 3 but the others wouldn't lower their prices. Very recently, I noticed that Governor Linden had them all - purple - but one group of plots was odd. It had been joined into a single 80m plot, but one of the 16s didn't share a border with the others. It shared 2 corners, but no sides. Think of a square divided into 3x3. I owned the middle square. The northeast and southeast squares were not included. The rest shared at least one side with another, except the east side of middle row. It shared a corner point with the middle of the north row, and a corner point with the middle of the south row, but no sides/borders with any of the others. And yet is became a part of the 80m plot. How?
At first I though that the Lindens must be able to do things like that, but then I realised something. The Gov didn't take over the plots - they were abandoned. Someone had acquired them, placed a plant on the joined plot, and changed it's name and descrption to something like "no ads here". The same was done with 2 other plots in the sim - acquire, change the name and description to things that the Lindens wouldn't write - like "another adfarm plot rescued" - just like the 80m. The plants were owned by the person - not a Linden. The plots were acquirted and abandoned, so how did the person link that isolated 16m with the others? Is there something I don't know?
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Nimue Jewell
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07-29-2008 16:49
I'm pretty sure you can join parcels that don't touch at all, as long as they are in the same sim. My land is group owned, and I've done it in the past. I assume it would be the same for land owned by an individual.
This was used in a land scam not too long ago. Parcels listed as 512's, for example, had a 16 sqm hole cut out of the center, and were joined with another 16 somewhere in the sim. Some sellers even put a house over the hole, making it that much harder to detect.
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Phil Deakins
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07-29-2008 17:00
Ty for the reply. I think you are mistaking the pooling of prims from parcels that are not next to each other, as long as they are in the same sim. But joining land needs a part of each parcel to selected in one selection. That can't done if the 2nd parcel is way across the sim, though it can be done when they are close to each other, but the selection would include someone else's land. Maybe I should try and see.
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Sling Trebuchet
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07-29-2008 17:01
Yes, You can join parcels in the same sim even when that are separated by land belonging to somebody else. Just drag the selection from one parcel to another.
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Oryx Tempel
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07-29-2008 17:01
Yes... you can join parcels that don't physically connect and create one larger parcel from them. [Edit: *shakes fist at Sling* Darn you!  ]
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Phil Deakins
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07-29-2008 17:02
From: Sling Trebuchet Yes, You can join parcels in the same sim even when that are separated by land belonging to somebody else. Just drag the selection from one parcel to another. I never knew that. Ty Sling - and Nimue 
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Sling Trebuchet
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07-29-2008 17:02
If they are REALLY far a part then a huge draw distance, combined with suppression of cloud rendering might be necessary.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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07-29-2008 17:04
yes you can join parcels that do not touch, as long as they are in the same sim
just turn up your draw distance, pan out so you can see both and in edit land mode draw the box around them and select join
(I have done it so I know it works)
bah I should read the other posts first LOL
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Ciaran Laval
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07-29-2008 17:10
I don't think you can join parcels that don't touch.
You have to cut.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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07-29-2008 17:11
From: Ciaran Laval I don't think you can join parcels that don't touch.
You have to cut. if the parcels are not touching one another, but are in the same sim, yes they can be joined
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Ciaran Laval
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07-29-2008 17:17
From: Rhaorth Antonelli if the parcels are not touching one another, but are in the same sim, yes they can be joined How?
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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07-29-2008 17:19
my post just before yours
yes you can join parcels that do not touch, as long as they are in the same sim
just turn up your draw distance, pan out so you can see both and in edit land mode draw the box around them and select join
(I have done it so I know it works)
they will still look like 2 plots, but whatever you name one, and whatever options you put on it, will reflect on the other one
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FireEyes Fauna
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07-30-2008 07:04
I ran into some problems while doing this for the Shelter that I thought I would share, although it might be common sense but it caused me a few headaches.
If the two parcels you are combining are not touching, and in order to select them both your selection will include another plot that you are in a group of, it won't work.
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Phil Deakins
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07-30-2008 07:10
Many thanks, all. It's something that I was never aware of, and the tip from FireEyes probably taught most of us something.
Now I'm wondering if there is any benefit to me in joining non-adjacent parcels, and the only one I can think off is being able to see who has left objects on the land in one go - and deal with them in one go.
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FireEyes Fauna
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07-30-2008 07:14
In my case it was to limit the number of parcels we had to 'lockdown' (disable object rez/entry) during a griefing attack.
It also required fewer parcels to have to add a ban to in case you wanted someone off all your property
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Damien1 Thorne
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07-30-2008 07:14
From: Phil Deakins Many thanks, all. It's something that I was never aware of, and the tip from FireEyes probably taught most of us something.
Now I'm wondering if there is any benefit to me in joining non-adjacent parcels, and the only one I can think off is being able to see who has left objects on the land in one go - and deal with them in one go. It would be easier than dealing with several separate parcels. You would have to go to each parcel to return objects.
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Phil Deakins
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07-30-2008 07:15
I hadn't thought of those reasons - thank you again 
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FireEyes Fauna
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07-30-2008 07:20
The only drawback I Can think of is that you only have 1 parcel to list an event location on the events calendar. If you have separate areas that you hold events, they would most likely need to remain as separate parcels.
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Phil Deakins
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07-30-2008 07:48
From: FireEyes Fauna The only drawback I Can think of is that you only have 1 parcel to list an event location on the events calendar. If you have separate areas that you hold events, they would most likely need to remain as separate parcels. I've joined all the outlying ones up. That particular drawback isn''t something that I would overlook. I don't do events, but I've previously seperated smallish parcels - store areas - and promoted them seperately in search. When you walk through my store, you walk through different parcels 
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