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Rock Vacirca

riches to rags

Join date: 18 Oct 2006

Posts: 1,093

03-30-2007 01:13

Hi,

I own three private island sims, Sukka Mire, Swey and Hoini, and I made them all part of the same Estate, the Fair-Isles Estate, so I could appoint an Estate Manager to take care of them.

But by making them part of the same estate I have come across an unexpected disadvantage. Each sim supports a rental business, residential SkyHomes. Security for my tenants is a key concern, so on becoming a tenant they join the relative sim Residents group, where they have the ability to add or delete friends to that group. Access to the sim is then restricted to the Residents group. Initially the sim is open to public access, in order that potential tenants can come in and view available properties, but when a sim has had all its homes rented, the sim is then closed to public access, and only those in the Residents group can access it. So far so good.

The problem occured when we started to rent out properties in the 2nd sim. In order to make that accessible to viewers the sim was made open to the public, as before, but (and this is where the problem lies) opening to public access is an ESTATE tool, not a sim tool. So opening for public access opens all the sims in the estate!

We tried to get around this by starting another group with access rights, a Visitors group, and by telling potential tenants in our Classified ads to join this group before coming to view properties. Following that, our normal flow of potential tenants dried up to almost nil. Nobody seemed to want to have to join a group in order to view real estate. This requirement was then dropped, and views picked up again at the same level as before.

Does anyone have any other suggestions as to how we can close a sim, except to tenants and their guests, while keeping another sim open in the same Estate?

Desmond Shang

Guvnah of Caledon

Join date: 14 Mar 2005

Posts: 5,250

03-30-2007 06:43

From: Rock Vacirca

Hi,

I own three private island sims, Sukka Mire, Swey and Hoini, and I made them all part of the same Estate, the Fair-Isles Estate, so I could appoint an Estate Manager to take care of them.

But by making them part of the same estate I have come across an unexpected disadvantage. Each sim supports a rental business, residential SkyHomes. Security for my tenants is a key concern, so on becoming a tenant they join the relative sim Residents group, where they have the ability to add or delete friends to that group. Access to the sim is then restricted to the Residents group. Initially the sim is open to public access, in order that potential tenants can come in and view available properties, but when a sim has had all its homes rented, the sim is then closed to public access, and only those in the Residents group can access it. So far so good.

The problem occured when we started to rent out properties in the 2nd sim. In order to make that accessible to viewers the sim was made open to the public, as before, but (and this is where the problem lies) opening to public access is an ESTATE tool, not a sim tool. So opening for public access opens all the sims in the estate!

We tried to get around this by starting another group with access rights, a Visitors group, and by telling potential tenants in our Classified ads to join this group before coming to view properties. Following that, our normal flow of potential tenants dried up to almost nil. Nobody seemed to want to have to join a group in order to view real estate. This requirement was then dropped, and views picked up again at the same level as before.

Does anyone have any other suggestions as to how we can close a sim, except to tenants and their guests, while keeping another sim open in the same Estate?

Sad to say I don't think you can - I'd suggest contacting concierge services and having your estate split into three.

Good luck with it.

_____________________

Steampunk Victorian, Well-Mannered Caledon!

Atashi Toshihiko

Frequently Befuddled

Join date: 7 Dec 2006

Posts: 1,423

03-30-2007 06:46

Are there other pros and cons to having multiple sims in one estate, vs multiple sims each as its own estate? I'm very new to the private island stuff and I've found the documentation to be inadequate in some areas, such as clearly defining the differences between estates and sims/islands/regions, along with what functions are at the sim/island level and what are estate-wide.

-Atashi

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Desmond Shang

Guvnah of Caledon

Join date: 14 Mar 2005

Posts: 5,250

03-30-2007 08:14

From: Atashi Toshihiko

Are there other pros and cons to having multiple sims in one estate, vs multiple sims each as its own estate? I'm very new to the private island stuff and I've found the documentation to be inadequate in some areas, such as clearly defining the differences between estates and sims/islands/regions, along with what functions are at the sim/island level and what are estate-wide.

-Atashi

Yes there are pros and cons.

I have one big estate, which means that anyone having Estate Manager access has it in every single sim. Pro or con? Depends what you are doing.

Also, things like telehubs are 'by estate' - so if you want to have a telehub in one area, but P2P teleporting in another, you'll need different estates for that. Sun controls, all that stuff that is designed to act upon more than one sim is by estate, not region. (Region = sim).

Lastly, if you have two estates next to each other, there are still access issues. Say in the above example (original post) you want to keep people out of sim A, among a joined cluster of A, B, and C.

Well, if you allow visitor access to B, people can still go to B and fly to A even if they are different estates. So you'll need different estates AND a group with a whitelist ban to keep random visitors out of sim A.

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Rock Vacirca riches to rags Join date: 18 Oct 2006 Posts: 1,093	03-30-2007 01:13 Hi, I own three private island sims, Sukka Mire, Swey and Hoini, and I made them all part of the same Estate, the Fair-Isles Estate, so I could appoint an Estate Manager to take care of them. But by making them part of the same estate I have come across an unexpected disadvantage. Each sim supports a rental business, residential SkyHomes. Security for my tenants is a key concern, so on becoming a tenant they join the relative sim Residents group, where they have the ability to add or delete friends to that group. Access to the sim is then restricted to the Residents group. Initially the sim is open to public access, in order that potential tenants can come in and view available properties, but when a sim has had all its homes rented, the sim is then closed to public access, and only those in the Residents group can access it. So far so good. The problem occured when we started to rent out properties in the 2nd sim. In order to make that accessible to viewers the sim was made open to the public, as before, but (and this is where the problem lies) opening to public access is an ESTATE tool, not a sim tool. So opening for public access opens all the sims in the estate! We tried to get around this by starting another group with access rights, a Visitors group, and by telling potential tenants in our Classified ads to join this group before coming to view properties. Following that, our normal flow of potential tenants dried up to almost nil. Nobody seemed to want to have to join a group in order to view real estate. This requirement was then dropped, and views picked up again at the same level as before. Does anyone have any other suggestions as to how we can close a sim, except to tenants and their guests, while keeping another sim open in the same Estate?
Desmond Shang Guvnah of Caledon Join date: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 5,250	03-30-2007 06:43 From: Rock Vacirca Hi, I own three private island sims, Sukka Mire, Swey and Hoini, and I made them all part of the same Estate, the Fair-Isles Estate, so I could appoint an Estate Manager to take care of them. But by making them part of the same estate I have come across an unexpected disadvantage. Each sim supports a rental business, residential SkyHomes. Security for my tenants is a key concern, so on becoming a tenant they join the relative sim Residents group, where they have the ability to add or delete friends to that group. Access to the sim is then restricted to the Residents group. Initially the sim is open to public access, in order that potential tenants can come in and view available properties, but when a sim has had all its homes rented, the sim is then closed to public access, and only those in the Residents group can access it. So far so good. The problem occured when we started to rent out properties in the 2nd sim. In order to make that accessible to viewers the sim was made open to the public, as before, but (and this is where the problem lies) opening to public access is an ESTATE tool, not a sim tool. So opening for public access opens all the sims in the estate! We tried to get around this by starting another group with access rights, a Visitors group, and by telling potential tenants in our Classified ads to join this group before coming to view properties. Following that, our normal flow of potential tenants dried up to almost nil. Nobody seemed to want to have to join a group in order to view real estate. This requirement was then dropped, and views picked up again at the same level as before. Does anyone have any other suggestions as to how we can close a sim, except to tenants and their guests, while keeping another sim open in the same Estate? Sad to say I don't think you can - I'd suggest contacting concierge services and having your estate split into three. Good luck with it. _____________________ Steampunk Victorian, Well-Mannered Caledon!
Atashi Toshihiko Frequently Befuddled Join date: 7 Dec 2006 Posts: 1,423	03-30-2007 06:46 Are there other pros and cons to having multiple sims in one estate, vs multiple sims each as its own estate? I'm very new to the private island stuff and I've found the documentation to be inadequate in some areas, such as clearly defining the differences between estates and sims/islands/regions, along with what functions are at the sim/island level and what are estate-wide. -Atashi _____________________ Visit Atashi's Art and Oddities Store and the Waikiti Motor Works at beautiful Waikiti.
Desmond Shang Guvnah of Caledon Join date: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 5,250	03-30-2007 08:14 From: Atashi Toshihiko Are there other pros and cons to having multiple sims in one estate, vs multiple sims each as its own estate? I'm very new to the private island stuff and I've found the documentation to be inadequate in some areas, such as clearly defining the differences between estates and sims/islands/regions, along with what functions are at the sim/island level and what are estate-wide. -Atashi Yes there are pros and cons. I have one big estate, which means that anyone having Estate Manager access has it in every single sim. Pro or con? Depends what you are doing. Also, things like telehubs are 'by estate' - so if you want to have a telehub in one area, but P2P teleporting in another, you'll need different estates for that. Sun controls, all that stuff that is designed to act upon more than one sim is by estate, not region. (Region = sim). Lastly, if you have two estates next to each other, there are still access issues. Say in the above example (original post) you want to keep people out of sim A, among a joined cluster of A, B, and C. Well, if you allow visitor access to B, people can still go to B and fly to A even if they are different estates. So you'll need different estates AND a group with a whitelist ban to keep random visitors out of sim A. _____________________ Steampunk Victorian, Well-Mannered Caledon!