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What exactly is "broadly offensive"

Lveran Koolhaas
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06-20-2007 18:06
We have all heard the posts and seen the blog and we all know that 2 adults pretending to be children is "Broadly offensive"...to narrow it down...if you want to look like a doll and have sex that is "broadly offensive". However if you want to be a dog and have sex with a human this is acceptable. These posts can seem to go on endlessly. It seems in German Law haveing virtual child sex is illegal so LL has seen to it that doll have to come with disclaimers.
I don't in anyway condone child sex at all...I think that 2 adults doing what they want on an adult grid is OK by me. If i don't like it i can turn my head. But we all seem to have to go along with whatever legal system seems to be the one screaming at LL the loudest. At this point in i am under the impression that this is the German legal system and thats ok too...but isn't being a Nazi illegal in Germany? If i am right about this why is it that after as many as 6 ARs and a support ticket #4051-4207022 A direct IM to 2 Lindens including our "offensiveness judge" Daniel Linden I still have this in my face?

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This poster and the flags of the same theme are in Imezla at (171,100,20) and are proudly displayed by the group named **Nazi** So my question is...What the hell is "broadly offensive"??? As a second part to this question what the hell happened to the LL statement "we are increasing our support staff so that you can see a quicker response to ARs they will take hours instead of days now"
Brenda Connolly
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06-20-2007 19:30
It looks more like Rock Hudson than Hitler to me.......but What IS broadly offensive? That poster in the context you show., does not offend me. It is a historical item. That's part of the diffilculty.
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Livinda Goodliffe
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06-20-2007 19:51
Broadly Offensive was clearly defined in Daniel's post.

It's a line about this |--------------------------------------| wide.
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Colette Meiji
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06-20-2007 19:55
From: Livinda Goodliffe
Broadly Offensive was clearly defined in Daniel's post.

It's a line about this |--------------------------------------| wide.


or was it
\-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ wide?

or maybe

\----------\ this wide?

Or \---\ ?
Livinda Goodliffe
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06-20-2007 19:58
From: Colette Meiji
or was it
\-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ wide?

or maybe

\----------\ this wide?

Or \---\ ?


|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|

This wide?
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Colette Meiji
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06-20-2007 20:05
From: Livinda Goodliffe
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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This wide?


what does Dan L actually mean when he says "wide" anyhow?
Colette Meiji
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06-20-2007 20:06
Sound like though - if somethings not on the news at 11 sweeps week target list - there will be little enforcement going on.

But if you ARE on the list,

well was nice knowing you ..
Har Fairweather
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06-20-2007 20:10
From: Colette Meiji
what does Dan L actually mean when he says "wide" anyhow?


Whatever he meant by it, it is clearly broadly offensive...
Pie Psaltery
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06-20-2007 20:38
From: Colette Meiji
what does Dan L actually mean when he says "wide" anyhow?


I'm pretty sure he meant this:

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Kenbro Utu
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06-20-2007 20:48
The work broadly as used in the phrase "broadly offensive" refers to the distance between two undefined points...
Ava Glasgow
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06-20-2007 22:53
From: Lveran Koolhaas
At this point in i am under the impression that this is the German legal system and thats ok too...but isn't being a Nazi illegal in Germany?


/me look's up Godwin's Law...
From: someone
As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.


Hmmm, interesting move, STARTING the thread with a nazi reference. I'm worried though that invoking Godwin's Law on the very first post has violated some law of nature and broken the forums. I can't even read the text on most of the following posts... it's just a bunch of hyphens. :(
Morwen Bunin
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06-20-2007 23:15
From: Brenda Connolly
It looks more like Rock Hudson than Hitler to me.......but What IS broadly offensive? That poster in the context you show., does not offend me. It is a historical item. That's part of the diffilculty.


I agree, the picture alone could be historical item, but on land owned by a group called "*** Nazi ***" gives it a bad taste.

Morwen.
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06-20-2007 23:25
Consensual erotic roleplay is broadly offensive to a fascist society.
Francesca Alva
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Not broadly offensive but ...
06-21-2007 00:20
deeply offensive. I was all set to make one of my usual joke postings when I saw the thread title. Then I read the OP and went in-world to see for myself (the region name is Imelza, BTW, the OP has a typo). The parcel not only dsplays the picture of Hitler but flies the Nazi flag and the fascist flag of Spain. Given the name of the group the parcel owner founded this is more than a WW2 reenactment site.

I cannot understand why LL is so slow to move on this. I've sent an AR too.
Warda Kawabata
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06-21-2007 00:48
Daniel Linden has a telepathic link not merely to your own mind, no that would be too simple. he has a telepathic link to the collective subconsciousness of the entire SL population. This is how he alone can know wha is broadly offensive. Thus it is that the non-removal of that sign is actually a sad reflection on our collective subconsciousness, aka the community, and not on LL's supposed inability to respond to abuse reports in a prompt, timely, reliable, and consistent manner.


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Lanz Zsigmond
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it's illegal
06-21-2007 01:29
thx for bringing that to our attention, i will AR them too. Don't understand why german laws are applicable in case of pornography but not in this case.
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Aleister Montgomery
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06-21-2007 01:50
From: Lveran Koolhaas
At this point in i am under the impression that this is the German legal system and thats ok too...but isn't being a Nazi illegal in Germany?


The German legal system is quite confusing (and confused) in such cases. Being a Nazi (i.e., thinking like one) can hardly be outlawed. Even calling oneself a Nazi is legal. Only acting the part is illegal in Germany; that includes hate speech, spreading of Nazi ideology in form of books, brochures, or web publications, wearing of Nazi uniforms including insignia, and public display of the Swastika (unless it is mirrored; this nonsense goes as far as prohibiting anti-Nazi symbols like a swastika inside a garbage bin or a swastika crossed out inside a prohibition sign).

Collecting of Third Reich memorabilia like military insignia, posters etc. is legal as long as these things are contained within private homes, displayed inside of a museum or part of an exposition without the goal of glorification.
For example, I'm surely no Nazi, but I keep the Wehrpass (draft card / service record) of my grandfather in a photo album, simply because it contains the only photo that I have of him. I never met him; he was forced to serve in the army as a simple shoemaker and was shot in Russia (probably and hopefully without ever having to fire a shot himself). This service record is a historical document in all its weirdness (like the lapidary entry "headshot" under "illnesses";), and it isn't illegal because a swastika is printed on it, although the sign itself is now illegal.
It would be different again if I had inherited a copy of "Mein Kampf" of my grandparents; hateful books need to be burned, thinks the German government (for some odd reason, this doesn't include the Bible), without realizing that they don't act any better than the government they condemn, which also had the nasty habit of burning books.

Anyway, I believe that the placard is perfectly legal by California laws and not clearly illegal by German laws. It depends on the context it is displayed in. If the content on this parcel is meant as a historical exposition without the goal of glorification, it would be legal. Otherwise, all the owner would need to do is to mirror the swastikas in Photoshop, and he'd be allowed to parade the streets carrying this placard. Distasteful and gross, but legal. It would be a sad world where things are outlawed only for being distasteful.
Strife Onizuka
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06-21-2007 02:32
Nazi imagery is not permitted anywhere on the service. Not even on the forums. Also posting the link is paramount to naming names.

*locks and sends to LR*

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