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Wonder why somone would make this offer on my First Land?

Constance Sunnyside
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12-14-2006 11:45
Just received an offer on my First Land plot. The offer was to buy it at 9000L then sell me the same size plot somewhere else for 8000L. What could the purpose in that be? Just wondering if anyone had any thoughts. Also wondering about any scam alerts in regards to land.

As always thanks for your help!

Yours in SL,
Constance
Ctarr Huszar
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Join date: 14 Oct 2005
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12-14-2006 11:59
It could be that the player who offered to buy your land has land on the sim you both are in. If you buy land on the same sim, the simulation will add all the prims allowed togeather. Example: I own a big chunk of land where I have my main building/business. I also own smaller plots throughout the same sim to give my main plot more prims to use. At any rate - check out the other land he/she is offering for 8KL. If it looks OK to you, you made a profit here of 1KL.
Hiro Queso
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12-14-2006 12:00
From: Constance Sunnyside
Just received an offer on my First Land plot. The offer was to buy it at 9000L then sell me the same size plot somewhere else for 8000L. What could the purpose in that be? Just wondering if anyone had any thoughts. Also wondering about any scam alerts in regards to land.

As always thanks for your help!

Yours in SL,
Constance


The location of your plot is obviously worth at least 1k more than the other plot. I imagine the plot you are being offered is either less desirable terrain, has bad neighbours, or perhaps the sim is struggling with clubs or other highly resource intensive plots.

Or, it could be just that they want to live in that particular sim; maybe they already have plots nearby.

What ever it is, you just need to check out the sim, neighbours, etc, and then decide if the move is worth 1k.

Oh...and if you do go for it, make sure they purchase your plot first!
Constance Sunnyside
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THe Linden amount is what I found strange.
12-14-2006 12:08
Why offer 9000L for the 512L plot and then have me pay 8000L for the new plot? I wonder why the person is using these exact figures? I understand the 1000L profit but why not buy my plot for 1512L and sell me the other plot for 512L? It just seems like there is something behind the Linden figures that is odd.
Hiro Queso
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12-14-2006 12:16
From: Constance Sunnyside
Why offer 9000L for the 512L plot and then have me pay 8000L for the new plot? I wonder why the person is using these exact figures? I understand the 1000L profit but why not buy my plot for 1512L and sell me the other plot for 512L? It just seems like there is something behind the Linden figures that is odd.


Well that's why I suggested that they should purchase first; I can imagine you buying their plot first for 8k, and then they scoot off lol, but then maybe I am too much of a cynic!

It's probably totally innocent, but better to be safe than sorry :D
Hiro Queso
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12-14-2006 12:20
...and you also don't want to be purchasing first if you're using all your tier; you would be forced to tier up.

edit to add: I should have asked this first: They are both on the main grid, right? Neither are in private estates?
Constance Sunnyside
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Hiro not sure really
12-14-2006 12:28
My plot is in Moss Gully does that answer your question? Just a little 512 plot there. Pretty sure that means I am not on an estate and thank you for mentioning tier I would not have thought about that. If I did take the offer I would need to sell first.
2fast4u Nabob
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12-14-2006 12:30
Actually..offering 9,000 is correct and is in your best interest.

It assures you that even if the deal does not go though (the buyer does not end up selling his plot to you), you still get a great price for your land (make a profit of 8,488).

If you were to sell your land at 1,512 and the buyer decided not to sell his other plot to you..you'd be out 7,488. This way, you get your 9k and pay the 8k for the new land - or not.

The key here is that the buyer is acutally working in your interest - very cool :)
Ctarr Huszar
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12-14-2006 12:32
I don't think there is anything wrong here - if he gives you 9KL for your land, you don't have to buy the other plot - maybe he is offering it to you as a gesture to help secure the sale to him. And land is very expensive lately. Check out the other plot - follow the advise given here on Hiro's posts - let him buy first - then decide if you want the other plot - 8kL isnt steep for a 512 plot - the going price on my Sim lately is 'lowest end' at 9KL.

...as to tiering up when land buying, if you tier up and then go back down a tier - all you have to do is go online on SL site under your account and manually tier down - you won't get charged the 'tier up' if you do it the same day. I have done this many times already.
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Hiro Queso
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12-14-2006 12:32
From: 2fast4u Nabob

The key here is that the buyer is acutally working in your interest - very cool :)


Yeh, assuming that they're willing to buy first /cynic :D
FD Spark
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Join date: 30 Oct 2006
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12-14-2006 12:36
Its good deal since I have joined the only lots available are are around 8500 yet when I made the mistake of selling my first extra lots I only got around 2500 losing 5500L per lot because I was new and dumb plus having to pay additional tier for 1536 m that month.
Regardless of what I have been told that they are worth less no one is selling 512 m lot for under 4k anymore if you find a lot for under 4k thats rare right now. Lot next to me is 512m the owner is selling it for 150k which is over 600 usd.
Constance Sunnyside
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Here is the direct quote:
12-14-2006 12:40
"I would like to purchase your land for 9k, and I will offer you land of the same size for 8k. You will make 1k and will lose nothing."

This does not seem to be a I'll buy yours then you can buy mine if you want kind of deal. It seems to say I'll buy yours if you buy mine and I will add in a 1000L for doing it.
Tamii Gwynneville
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12-14-2006 12:49
From: Constance Sunnyside
"I would like to purchase your land for 9k, and I will offer you land of the same size for 8k. You will make 1k and will lose nothing."

This does not seem to be a I'll buy yours then you can buy mine if you want kind of deal. It seems to say I'll buy yours if you buy mine and I will add in a 1000L for doing it.

Ummm ...... they are saying they will "offer" you land of the same size for 8K. I'm not reading anything into that statement that they buying your land is dependant on you subsequently buying theirs.
FD Spark
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12-14-2006 12:50
From: Constance Sunnyside
"I would like to purchase your land for 9k, and I will offer you land of the same size for 8k. You will make 1k and will lose nothing."

This does not seem to be a I'll buy yours then you can buy mine if you want kind of deal. It seems to say I'll buy yours if you buy mine and I will add in a 1000L for doing it.

Oh I didn't see that part sorry Constance.
Well you do get 1k in profit for another location but if he or she buys and doesn't sell you the space you might be conned.
I think I wouldn't bother in that situation because there no guarantee he or she would sell you the land.
If you really want the 9k and don't mind the additional tier fees if he doesn't sell you the lot buy your lot first. But if they demand you buy first his or her lot first you may be out of money and stuck with extra land and tier it could be problematic
On top of it you actually lose money in tier fees that you still have to pay for rest of month. So you're not really making a proftit your losing money.
The lot they maybe selling you don't fully own. Or perhaps there maybe something really buggy or hidden catch with lot that you may not be happy with that he or she is trying to sell you.
I saw this private sim that advertised for 500L but there was hidden catch and it was totally unclear seem bit scammy to myself I wouldn't buy it myself. The catch was you pay 500L and have 24 hours to pay real cash to paypal account or lose your money and land too plus numerous other strings.
Ctarr Huszar
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12-14-2006 14:03
Gee, after re reading all this, I just realized that you are asked to sell your first land - which means you are at the basic membership rate - if you do buy the other plot after selling your first land, you will go up one land tier and pay more per month. First land is great to get someone knowledgable about - land owning and I feel was designed to be cheap to new subscribers as a way to get them to eventually buy more land. It sure worked with me. First land is also a great way to get alot of L$ - like the 9KL the buyer is offering.

Do this only if you feel your ready to expand yourself into SL and read the land tier fees on the SL site. You can always sell your land and not buy another and stay at the basic subsciber fee, but you will never get 'first land' again with your current AV.
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No Charges for tiering up and down the same day?
12-14-2006 14:24
From: Ctarr Huszar

...as to tiering up when land buying, if you tier up and then go back down a tier - all you have to do is go online on SL site under your account and manually tier down - you won't get charged the 'tier up' if you do it the same day. I have done this many times already.


Hmmm I was wondering when LL started doing this? I have been in SL along time and they always charged you the up tier even if you only up tiered for 1 second LOL. I was told by LL along time ago if you up tier and then go down you are still charged for the up tier. Have had it happen many many times.

* Example - You are charged for all land you have held in your billing cycle no mater how long you held it.. if you had 512m and then bought another 512m making it 1024m then sold the first 512m dropping you back down to 512m you still will be billed for that second 512m for that billing cycle.

1 plot of 512 land is free with your basic account that you pay $9.95 for but if you buy another 512, you will be charged $5.00 more for that plot even if you sell it immediately. Or that is the way it used to be and the way the Land Fee Page reads.

If they have changed it that would be great... and if so when did it happen? Of course with all the bugs I think that question would be a good one to ask LL before doing cause could be an expensive lesson if you dont want to pay the extra tier. Good Luck!!
Cortex Draper
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Join date: 23 Aug 2005
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12-14-2006 14:26
1) Before agreeing to anything, check to see you actually want to live where he has his land. It may be nice or it may be horrible.

2) If you do decide not to buy the other land, tell him BEFORE he buys yours, otherwise there may be a misunderstanding as he may have been expecting it.
Seola Sassoon
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12-14-2006 14:41
From: Ctarr Huszar
Gee, after re reading all this, I just realized that you are asked to sell your first land - which means you are at the basic membership rate - if you do buy the other plot after selling your first land, you will go up one land tier and pay more per month. First land is great to get someone knowledgable about - land owning and I feel was designed to be cheap to new subscribers as a way to get them to eventually buy more land. It sure worked with me. First land is also a great way to get alot of L$ - like the 9KL the buyer is offering.

Do this only if you feel your ready to expand yourself into SL and read the land tier fees on the SL site. You can always sell your land and not buy another and stay at the basic subsciber fee, but you will never get 'first land' again with your current AV.


512 comes free with ALL basic memberships, it's just first land is only available once. I've owned 1024 then dropped all land, and I don't get charged tier, however I get to keep a 512 for free.

If the plot is exactly the same size, tier will never be charged, if the seller sells first then buys the other plot.
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Wildefire Walcott
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12-14-2006 14:50
I'm more cynical and expecting that the person making the offer knows how valuable the OP's parcel is, and is intentionally offering a less marketable property because he knows he'll make up the difference when he flips the property. When I've made land offers to my neighbors I've always explained who I was and why I was interested in their land. This person is all about the business.
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Snowflake Fairymeadow
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12-14-2006 15:03
Ctarr, with all due respect, I believe you are giving incorrect info.

OP, its fine to sell first land for 9000, you can probably find another 512 for around 7000-8000, is there something special about your plot we don't know, such as, is it waterfront or roadside or otherwise protected by linden land? If so then it may be worth more.

I would ask the buyer if it is contingent upon you buying his plot, you might want to search for one you like better on your own. And like the others said, make sure the person making the offer buys yours first.
Lotus Excelsior
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12-14-2006 16:52
The other things to watch for when considering the other land are ...

Is it a void sim?
Is it on a private island?

I have some land adjoining Constance (twice the size) and have been made an equivalent offer by the same person, so I expect it is simply a play to get a bigger piece of land together.

I had originally expect that 5000 was the going price for 512, but it sounds like 9000 is not unusual.
Xio Jester
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12-14-2006 19:01
From: Ctarr Huszar
Gee, after re reading all this, I just realized that you are asked to sell your first land - which means you are at the basic membership rate - if you do buy the other plot after selling your first land, you will go up one land tier and pay more per month. First land is great to get someone knowledgable about - land owning and I feel was designed to be cheap to new subscribers as a way to get them to eventually buy more land. It sure worked with me. First land is also a great way to get alot of L$ - like the 9KL the buyer is offering.

Do this only if you feel your ready to expand yourself into SL and read the land tier fees on the SL site. You can always sell your land and not buy another and stay at the basic subsciber fee, but you will never get 'first land' again with your current AV.


I agree 100%...if you know next to nothing about Land in SL...my advice is to keep your First Land, since you don't pat monthly fees on it...then sell it later, when you really know what you want.

L$1,000 profit is nothing, now that you can fill out a few in-game surveys with an old e-mail address and make the same amount of "money" in less than 30 mins.

I vote, keep your First Land for now, and grab the $1,000 elsewhere, until you learn more about Land.
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