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RLV collars

Domitan Redenblack
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Join date: 19 Nov 2009
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12-11-2009 19:18
1. I see lots of "must use RLV viewer" for collars etc.

Is there a way for a collar to inform the assigned owner that the sub is using a non-RLV viewer? Which collars do this?

2. Is there an "emergency" override to unlock or remove a collar while in an RLV viewer? Or must the sub use a non-RLV viewer to remove that collar.

3. What are "keys" ? Are they the same as the Lock/Unlock commands?

4. Someone said that when the chat reporting feature of some collars is in operation, there is a way for 3rd parties to hear those conversations. True?

5. Is there any way for an expensive collar to revert to the ownership of the buyer? Can a collar be "assigned" to a sub somehow? Leased or rented? (This seems like a good reason not to buy a collar of any value)

6. Can custom scripts or code be added to an openCollar? Is there a way to prevent/enable this?
Lindz Silvercloud
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Join date: 1 Jun 2009
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12-11-2009 19:22
Most do.

I use amethyst collars, and they report the viewer and the RLv version number each time the sub logs on.
Kidd Krasner
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Join date: 1 Jan 2007
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12-11-2009 23:18
From: Domitan Redenblack

Is there a way for a collar to inform the assigned owner that the sub is using a non-RLV viewer? Which collars do this?

I'd expect all RLV collars to do this.

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2. Is there an "emergency" override to unlock or remove a collar while in an RLV viewer? Or must the sub use a non-RLV viewer to remove that collar.

There's generally a safeword, but that also removes the owner from the collar.

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4. Someone said that when the chat reporting feature of some collars is in operation, there is a way for 3rd parties to hear those conversations. True?

Not exactly. The chat reporting sends the chat to the master, not to arbitrary third parties.

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5. Is there any way for an expensive collar to revert to the ownership of the buyer? Can a collar be "assigned" to a sub somehow? Leased or rented? (This seems like a good reason not to buy a collar of any value)

I can't think of any.

Don't assume that the master has to pay for the collar. It's been ages, but I'm pretty sure I paid for my own. (Yes, it's out of character, but it's a reasonable concession.)

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6. Can custom scripts or code be added to an openCollar? Is there a way to prevent/enable this?

Custom scripts can certainly be added to a typical opencollar-based collar. You don't need to do anything to enable it. It's designed for plugins.

In theory you could make one that couldn't have scripts added or existing ones hacked. I'm not sure if you could distribute it without violating the opencollar license. But why? At some point you need to draw a line. It's also possible for someone to create a viewer that would lie about it being RLV. Or, even if you had such a collar, the sub could substitute a hacked version when first putting it on, and you might never know.
Innula Zenovka
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Join date: 20 Jun 2007
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12-12-2009 04:09
From: Domitan Redenblack
1. I see lots of "must use RLV viewer" for collars etc.
I don't. I've seen lots that say you need to use RLV to enable the collar's full functionality, but I don't think any depend on RLV

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Is there a way for a collar to inform the assigned owner that the sub is using a non-RLV viewer? Which collars do this?
Amethyst's, Dari's and the Open Collar certainly do. Can't remember if this happens all the time or only if the collar's locked.
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2. Is there an "emergency" override to unlock or remove a collar while in an RLV viewer? Or must the sub use a non-RLV viewer to remove that collar.
As has been said, most have a safeword. Alternatively, if the sub is using RLVa (which is the flavour used by Emerald and most other third party viewers), there's a couple of settings on the viewer that sub could use temporarily to disable some features as an emergency measure and then relog in order to escape nasty situations without having to use a separate viewer or disable RLV altogether.
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3. What are "keys" ? Are they the same as the Lock/Unlock commands?
Depends on the context, but most often this refers to a specific locking functionality -- which I've never been able to get my head round -- in some of Marine Kelly's own products and ones that use a specific plug-in. It's not part of the general RLV api. Ask in the Real Restraints group in-world about this -- there are people there who understand it.
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5. Is there any way for an expensive collar to revert to the ownership of the buyer? Can a collar be "assigned" to a sub somehow? Leased or rented?
Not really, though the phenomenally expensive Omega collar supposedly has some feature to stop the sub running off with the collar (or, as I recall, your unlocking it and giving it to someone else, though I might be wrong) unless you pay the maker even more money.
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(This seems like a good reason not to buy a collar of any value)

I have to say that BDSM relationships in both RL and SL is about, among other things, trust. It is something it has in common with most other RL and SL relationships, of course. And this particularly the case with RLV and SL because you're giving so much power and control to your Master.

So, while it's by no means unusual for the SL sub to pay for his or her own collar -- I did, too --if you're in two minds about whether your sub is going to run off if you give her a sufficiently expensive collar you might want to question whether you and she are right for each other. Trust goes both ways.
Qie Niangao
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12-12-2009 05:41
There seems to be a fundamental confusion here. All collars (and really all objects in SL) are just props. They have exactly and only the meaning the player bestows on them. Adding scripts or patching them into a viewer doesn't change this, except to the extent that it may marginally improve the object's ability to act as a certain prop for certain roles played by certain people. That's it, that's all, there's no more reality to be had. Any marketing about the "realness" of some restraint is only appealing to a purported enhancement to roleplay, nothing more.

One bit is kind of interesting:
From: Domitan Redenblack
5. Is there any way for an expensive collar to revert to the ownership of the buyer? Can a collar be "assigned" to a sub somehow? Leased or rented? (This seems like a good reason not to buy a collar of any value)
It would be possible for some creator to sell *licenses* to collar functionality, distinct from the bunch of scripted prims that make up the collar itself. The buyer, then, could go to some website, say, and assign which agent's collar object should get that functionality, or take it back and assign it to some other agent's collar. (Especially if the scripts are open source, there's a problem of spoofing that would require some magic authentication of the collar wearer's identity, a problem about which I'm not motivated to think seriously at the moment.) Scripts can change a lot of things about objects. One big thing scripts cannot do is change the ownership of an object. They could, however, easily change a shiny scripted collar into a collection of inert plywood boxes the instant they're on script enabled-land, if the wearer is no longer authorized by the person who purchased the license.