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Question about traffic

Keenan Grockle
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04-17-2007 11:01
I recently moved onto my first piece of land and noted that the traffic was zero--of course-. Over a few days it increased to 5 or 6. Now it's back to zero. Is the traffic figure reset daily or weekly or how does it work.
Any info appreciated.
Pumpkin Cookie
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04-17-2007 11:35
depends on how much time you spend on your land as in how much it goes up
if you dont go any where all day an are working on it, it will go up if you spend more time some where else they get your traffic but if your not a shop owner or club owner it shouldnt matter to ya unless your putting it in search
Keenan Grockle
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04-17-2007 12:48
Thanks for your reply Pumpkin. I am setting up a shop and I thought the traffic figure was the number of visitors to the site. How can I tell how many have visited?
Kenbro Utu
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04-17-2007 13:06
From: Keenan Grockle
Thanks for your reply Pumpkin. I am setting up a shop and I thought the traffic figure was the number of visitors to the site. How can I tell how many have visited?


The only way to count true visitors is to place an object with a visitor counter script in it. Visitors will not count to your traffic unless they stay more than 5 minutes. In a small shop this will not happen much. Look for a freebie counter script. They will also let you add a greeting and/or an IM to you when you get a visitor. If you can't find one hit me up in game and I will send you one.
Keenan Grockle
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04-17-2007 14:10
Thanks Kenbro,
I'll search for a visitor counter script - that should solve my problem.
If I can't find one, I'll take you up on your kind offer.
I still can't understand why the official traffic number can go down as well as up. Oh well, another SL puzzle to solve. So much to learn and so little time.
Zaphod Kotobide
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04-17-2007 14:22
The reason it fluctuates in both directions is that it is used in ranking the popular places listing in Search. You could be popular for a day, have traffic in the thousands, and for the next two weeks you could be a ghost town.


From: Keenan Grockle
Thanks Kenbro,
I'll search for a visitor counter script - that should solve my problem.
If I can't find one, I'll take you up on your kind offer.
I still can't understand why the official traffic number can go down as well as up. Oh well, another SL puzzle to solve. So much to learn and so little time.
Porky Gorky
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04-18-2007 06:16
If you are present on your land then you will add to the traffic but only if the land is deeded to a group. I once did a test and left my AV logged on a new plot with 0 traffic and after 24 hours had a traffic of well over 1000 and thats with no other visitors as far as I know. So if you want to increase your traffic and you spend a reasonable amount of time on the plot then set up a group (need at least 2 members) and deed the land (and conribution if required) to the group and that will help get your numbers up and give your new business a boost in the search listings (if thats your plan).
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Marie Gateaux
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04-18-2007 07:47
From: Porky Gorky
If you are present on your land then you will add to the traffic but only if the land is deeded to a group. I once did a test and left my AV logged on a new plot with 0 traffic and after 24 hours had a traffic of well over 1000 and thats with no other visitors as far as I know. So if you want to increase your traffic and you spend a reasonable amount of time on the plot then set up a group (need at least 2 members) and deed the land (and conribution if required) to the group and that will help get your numbers up and give your new business a boost in the search listings (if thats your plan).


Unless things have radically changed it does not have to be Deeded to group. I know when we were still on the mainland our land was SET to group but not deeded. Traffic counted just the same.

In fact I am not so certain it has to have anything to do with a group at all.
Maximillian Desoto
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04-18-2007 08:21
yes, traffic has nothing to do with group settings.

and to answer the other question, traffic numbers are reset daily.

Max
Porky Gorky
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04-18-2007 08:23
From: Marie Gateaux
Unless things have radically changed it does not have to be Deeded to group. I know when we were still on the mainland our land was SET to group but not deeded. Traffic counted just the same.

In fact I am not so certain it has to have anything to do with a group at all.


You may be right there, could just need to be set to the group rather than deeded. Howvever i am positive that if your AV is shown as the owner of the plot then your AV doesnt count as traffic.
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Porky Gorky
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04-18-2007 08:26
no, i think you are wrong there. In the test we did no traffic was added over a 24 hours period when the named land owner was present on the plot. Only once the parcel was set to a group did the owner contribute to traffic.
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Pumpkin Cookie
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04-18-2007 08:32
doesnt matter if group or not belive me lol some times lindens forget to reset traffic it happens every so often, group or no group if you stand on your shop or land it will go up unless some one has re set it back to 0 If some ones on your land for over 5 mins it it will count not a lot but <wink> secret to lucky chairs put them all way in back hehe or up the stairs <g >
Sue Saintlouis
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04-22-2007 17:19
I have another question, related to this thread. I had traffic of 7K yesterday. Today, I had a very successful event, but traffic shows only 4K. Does it start back at 0 each day? And is it reset at midnight SLT?

Ok, so it's 2 questions, lol.
Annabelle Vandeverre
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04-22-2007 17:21
From: Kenbro Utu
Visitors will not count to your traffic unless they stay more than 5 minutes.

I hadn't heard that before. Could someone verify where this information came from?
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Lhorentso Nurmi
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04-22-2007 17:50
Trust LL to implement a system that no one understands..
bladyblue Bommerang
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04-22-2007 18:07
Visitors must stay at least 5 minutes to be counted toward your traffic. Each Avatar has a 24 hour clock attached to it. Your traffic rating from each avatar depends on how much time they spend on your land in a 24 hour period. So if I come to your land for a hour but I go to 5 other places for 23 hours after that then the traffic for your land from me is minimal. But if I go to your land for a hour and log off for the remainder of the day the traffic from me for you is much higher.

The equation was published somewhere once. Good luck finding it.
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04-22-2007 20:09
It's difficult to understand the traffic system because Linden Lab won't explain it.

There are little sequences of words presented as if they were explanations available from the Linden staff, but they aren't actually explanations of precisely how the numbers are calculated, and according to reports from people that claim to have recorded data on traffic, the actual traffic figures don't agree with the little partial snippets of not-really-explanations the Linden staff has given out.

Maybe several thousand emails sent to [email]knowledgebase@secondlife.com[/email] asking for a complete and detailed explanation of the traffic sytem, including if possible the source code and a task description for the humans involved in the process would catch someone's attention a bit.

This sounds like a job for TrafficQuestionEmailBot!
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Sue Saintlouis
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04-22-2007 22:55
>>It's difficult to understand the traffic system because Linden Lab won't explain it.<<

Why does that remind me of Google and Page Ranking *rolling eyes*?
Har Fairweather
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04-23-2007 06:28
Or maybe they see it's gamed badly enough as it is, and think that saying anything more about it would game it even more disastrously?
Colette Meiji
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04-23-2007 06:46
From: Har Fairweather
Or maybe they see it's gamed badly enough as it is, and think that saying anything more about it would game it even more disastrously?


lol -

I think they know if we knew the exact mechanics , someone would design camping chairs that only milk the maximum Traffic points from a camper zombie then tp them out of the sim to make room for the next one.

Thus reducing the ability for camper zombies to earn money 24/7 - possibly resulting in fewer people logged in at the same time.

LL isnt willing to take that risk.

:p
Har Fairweather
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04-23-2007 08:12
From: Colette Meiji
lol -

I think they know if we knew the exact mechanics , someone would design camping chairs that only milk the maximum Traffic points from a camper zombie then tp them out of the sim to make room for the next one.

Thus reducing the ability for camper zombies to earn money 24/7 - possibly resulting in fewer people logged in at the same time.

LL isnt willing to take that risk.

:p


[Tips hat to Colette, with admiration.]
Yumi Murakami
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04-23-2007 08:25
From: bladyblue Bommerang
Visitors must stay at least 5 minutes to be counted toward your traffic. Each Avatar has a 24 hour clock attached to it. Your traffic rating from each avatar depends on how much time they spend on your land in a 24 hour period. So if I come to your land for a hour but I go to 5 other places for 23 hours after that then the traffic for your land from me is minimal. But if I go to your land for a hour and log off for the remainder of the day the traffic from me for you is much higher.


This isn't the traffic formula - what you're describing was the old system for the "dwell bonus", where you earned L$ by having popular land areas. And yes, you're quite right, the exact formula was never released to prevent exploitation.

AFAIK, traffic is simply one point per avatar per minute.