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Granting Access to Account?

Zazas Oz
Rufeena Fashion Designer
Join date: 22 Jan 2005
Posts: 517
05-24-2007 12:18
Hi Everyone, I received this email today and was wondering what you thought about it? My concerns are with all the account hacking by allowing items "access" has me wondering about this offer.

My assumption in order to receive the 50% commission then we would have to say yes to the vendor access. I'm not sure about Jevn but but feel anything is hackable. I have removed the name but if you contact me I will give to you.

hi, are you interrested? : Owners of Clubs,
shops or of grounds, make profitable your places by selling skins of very
high quality! 50% of commission on each sale actual since a vendor
placed on your premise (3 prims for the basic model) Our skins are sold
1490L$ for the women model and 1190L$ for the men model. Our vendors of
mark JEVN calculates and transfers automatically the commission is
745L$ for a pack woman and 595L$ for a pack man. No investment of your
share, we simply ask you to make so that we can pose a vendor on your
premise. You can stop constantly by asking for the resumption of the vendor
or while turning over this last. Interested? Contact immediatly
XXXXXXXX for the immediate installation of your vendor personalized.
Simon Nolan
I can has ur primz?
Join date: 28 Mar 2006
Posts: 157
05-24-2007 13:35
In most other cases, the bad grammar alone would have me thinking "Nigerian email scam", but I have to consider that we have more international users than US users, so maybe that's not a good tip off for a scam.

I wouldn't under any circumstances grant *debit* ("Take money from you";) permissions to any object owned by someone else, not even my foreverbestestfrenz4life in SL. It's easy to hack up an object that looks like a JEVN vendor, and it really holds a script that takes your money.

I'm not where I can look at my JEVN vendor documentation, but perhaps someone else can chime in with the details on commission payouts. I don't seem to recall that the JEVN *server* actually requires direct access to pay out commission.

If you decline direct access and they say that they'll just pay you the commission, I'd be distrustful. How are you to know what the sales are? The could easily under-report them to pay you less. JEVN vendor logs are just emails, and can be easily edited.

If they are serious, they will consider a flat monthly rent to be paid to you. The have the freedom to leave at any time, and you can get rental boxes that let them pay by the week. Apez.biz is one maker of such boxes.
Zaphod Kotobide
zOMGWTFPME!
Join date: 19 Oct 2006
Posts: 2,087
05-24-2007 13:46
Most of the underlying code in a JEVN system, like most major vendors, is not modifyable or readable. The profit split is configured via a notecard, and to my knowledge the emails are hard coded somewhere. The amount received and the amounts distributed are certainly hard coded and cannot be forged. Overall, something like this isn't a huge gamble, provided they are using a trusted system such as JEVN. These systems DO require debit permission, as they take the payment in full for the item on your behalf, which goes into your L$ balance, and then they pay the percentages out to the other participants, out of your account.
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Tyci Kenzo
K2 Owner and Designer
Join date: 8 Dec 2005
Posts: 285
05-24-2007 13:49
when i set up a vendor at a shop that asked me to and gave them a percentage of the profit thru a notecard it never asked them for debit permission only me

had someone test buying something i got my 90L they got their 10L looking like it was paid from me
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Prawnyloks Parker
"Prim Fiddler"
Join date: 6 Oct 2006
Posts: 420
Could be a scam
05-24-2007 13:54
A friend of mine recently had to ask one of his renters to shut up shop. They too were selling skins for what turned out to be a 3rd party. It turned out that the vendor (I think it may have been a JEVIN, but am not 100% sure) was giving out empty boxes. The person that had set up the shop and put in the vendors seemed to have been conned by some 3rd party with a profit split scheme. They told my friend that they would be removing these items from all their stores.
Sounds like this could be a similar thing, if not the same.
I'll PM you with the name of the store, although I don't know the name of the 3rd party.
Zaphod Kotobide
zOMGWTFPME!
Join date: 19 Oct 2006
Posts: 2,087
05-24-2007 14:33
It will only ask the owner of the vendor for debit permission. If the wholesaler owns the vendor in your shop, and he/she places it out on your sales floor, it will ask *them* for debit permission. If the vendor is in your possession, and you place it, it will ask you. Basically, it will accept payment from the customer on behalf its owner, credit the full amount to its owner's account, then pay out the profit shares to the other parties, from its owner's account.

From: Tyci Kenzo
when i set up a vendor at a shop that asked me to and gave them a percentage of the profit thru a notecard it never asked them for debit permission only me

had someone test buying something i got my 90L they got their 10L looking like it was paid from me
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Angelique LaFollette
Registered User
Join date: 17 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,595
05-24-2007 17:52
Reads to me as though they are asking (Rather incoherantly) to place vendors on your landthat will be programmed to pay you a commission, A simple script that is used in Many Vendors already, a friend of mine uses them in cigarette vending machines, and they pay a small commission to the land owner. I saw nothing about accessing your account.

Still, this E-Mail is so Poorly worded, I personally would tend to ignore it.

Angel.
Zazas Oz
Rufeena Fashion Designer
Join date: 22 Jan 2005
Posts: 517
Thanks
05-24-2007 20:44
Thank You for all your responses. :)
cHex Losangeles
Registered User
Join date: 24 Nov 2006
Posts: 370
05-24-2007 22:42
There are legitimate vendors, that have been used in SL for a long time, that put money in and take money out of your account. These are currently a good solution to many commercial partnerships. It is possible that at some future upgrade these machines could be scripted to clean out your account. However, there actually are trustworthy people in the world, and many Residents have trusted these vendor distributors and have not regretted it.

I am sure that at some point a malicious Resident will create a vendor that steals. Then everyone who has been using profit-sharing vendors all along will be called stupid and naive, there will be calls for people that operate stores with vendors of any kind to be banned, and some people will stop shopping. So far, however, so good.

I am seriously considering having a banker alt, that keeps my large sums of L$ and never gives anyone debit permission. It will be a hassle to log in the alt to transfer funds to my main when needed, but it will hopefully keep me from being totally cleaned out in the event I fall prey to some scam.