it’s not gambling........

If I set up 100 games of three card Monte, in my sim, and people pay to play.

BUT the game is fixed so there is NO chance the player could ever possibly win, is that against the gambling policy???

And if it’s not gambling, could I set up other games that never EVER pay out?

Or is this why the policy was enacted in the first place???

No sarcasm here

As the real life three card monte guy said to me when he took my $80 after letting me win $40: "Can't give you sunshine all the time."

Well, it may not be gambling, but why would players pay to play if they KNEW they wouldn't get any payout?

Or were you thinking of not telling them?

Leading players to believe payouts will occur when you have specifically disabled payouts... that may not be gambling, but it certainly is fraud.

Of course, you would have to advertise that no payout is possible, lest you be AR'ed for operating gambling games.

So how exactly did you see this working?

well if I told them, they would never play.....

and i wouldn't mention the payout thing either.

It would be a secret........

I think that's called "being a theif". Perhaps more accurately "fraud".

ohhh wait.....
what if i paid them a little just to keep them playing

I could do that manually so there would be no element of chance.

Kind of like the the the other Casinos before the ban ....Huh?

So you pay us money that we would then lose back to you because you can't win the game? Can we just skip the formality and go do something else instead?

The way gambling works is that you give the person the occasional positive reinforcement with a payout so they are fooled into thinking they might walk away a winner. Losing every time is no fun. Just ask the Chicago Cubs.

Wouldn't know. I don't gamble (I've a sufficient understanding of probability theory), and if they were thieves they had the good sense not to discuss their thievery on the forums.

you can still gamble in SL, just don't give L$ as the payout, give prizes....

We had this discussion in another thread.

Set it so that the player always wins, but that the prize they win is often less than the amount that pay to play.

Technically no random number is used to determine the winner since everybody who plays wins something! And the policy doesn't say anything about how the actualy winnings/prize is determined, just that the winner shouldn't be determined by a random number generator.

Another loophole is this:

Run a lottery - but whenever someone pays to buy a ticket store their name in an offworld database. Then every friday, print out the names of all the players onto seperate pieces of paper, put them in a hat, shake it up, close your eyes and pick out a name.

No random number generators (or RL sporting events) involved there!

Of course, there's nothing to stop LL deleting your things anyway...

Matthew

Doesn't have to be solely a random number generator. As defined by LL: "1) (a) rely on chance or random number generation to determine a winner, OR (b) rely on the outcome of real-life organized sporting events," If it relies on chance, even if a random number generator is not used, then it is considered wagering (provided it also meets criteria #2).

As a general rule of thumb, if you need to find an obscure loophole to justify an activity, it is against the rules.

Can i gamble in a box?
Can i gamble with a fox?
Can i gamble in a house?
Can i gamble with a mouse?
Can i gamble here or there?
Can i gamble anywhere?

So what your all trying to say is gambling is not allowed in second life?

I dont get it, what do you mean, by "gambling is not allowed?

can ageplaying CopyBots gamble, cause there not real people...

Here is what my local laws say about that......

Can I play the Massachusetts Lottery on the internet?

The Massachusetts State Lottery adheres to the federal law, the Wire Communications Act of 1961, which prohibits the use of wire communication facilities (telephone lines) for interstate or foreign gambling purposes. The use of telephone wires in internet transmission is defined under that law and therefore it is unlawful for the Lottery to offer its games for sale on-line.




And their legal!!