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Petition Ageinst Isle Price Increases?

Swythe Armistice
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Join date: 3 Dec 2005
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11-05-2006 04:36
Anyone able to take a political stance on this sim price hike? Maybe a petition? Enough people are voicing about it, maybe its time we handed LL a list of names of sim owners that'll be forced under because of this. Or future sim owners and dreamers looking to help grow SL that are unable to afford the cost?

Any ideas would be nice.

-Swythe Armistice,
Ryder Manor Isle Owner
Ceera Murakami
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Join date: 9 Sep 2005
Posts: 7,750
11-05-2006 05:56
Unless you get Anshe Chung or some of the other really large sim owners and landholders to act, you won't get so much as an eye blink from LL. And honestly, I expect Anshe is profiting enough from the current situation that she would ignore you.

If the hundreds of complaints in the Blogs didn't get even an eye blink of consideration for reversing course on the cost increase, I'd have to say any 'petition' is doomed. LL simply does NOT want to listen to the customers who use their product.
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Kyrah Abattoir
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11-05-2006 08:48
lets just say they made their mind on this idea.
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Angel Fluffy
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11-05-2006 09:12
When I brought up the price increases at the community RT, a LL admin suggested to me that "We have to raise money to make LL profitable. To do that, we are charging more for the best features of SL. One of the best features of SL is island ownership. So we charge more for that now." This is NOT a quote, it's just my own interpretation/summary.

It is pretty hard to fight that logic. LL need money. People will pay higher prices for islands (or at least, LL think they will). Islands are some of the best features in SL that money can buy. Raising island prices is very logical from LL's PoV.

You can try... but IMHO, if you're going to lobby against island price rises, you should provide LL another fund-raising option which is even more attractive.
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Jesse Malthus
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11-05-2006 10:55
Protests against LL will never work, because you can't amass enough avs in one sim, and the fact that they own the world, and don't have to listen to you at all.
I'm not being bitter, it's just a plain and simple fact.
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Cocoanut Cookie
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11-05-2006 11:47
We shouldn't be against price increases.

We should be against charging the same prices to regular residents as to big companies in here only to advertise their real-world products, not to participate in the SL microeconomy.

There will always be price increases, and prices will increase for the mainland as well. We need to get them to institute a higher corporate rate versus a lower resident rate (Anshe would qualify for the resident rate), or we will be squeezed out of business.

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Desmond Shang
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11-05-2006 14:28
The most honest resident answer I can think of is this: the market will decide if price increases to islands are warranted.

If the Company makes more money overall by raising prices, then prices will go up.

If the Company makes less money overall, prices will come back down.



So, we'll see. A lot of forum angst won't add up to much, but sales figures will.

Relax, have a cup of tea, sit back and observe - if you think you have special insight, well, in such times quiet insight often equals real opportunity. :)

I think the real issue has *very* little to do with private island sims, and everything to do with making the mainland artificially more desirable in spite of its problems.

If you think about it for a moment, private sim owners need the mainland, and the grid as a whole, to do pretty well.
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Lewis Nerd
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Join date: 9 Oct 2005
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11-05-2006 17:19
The problem is the wrong target.

Linden Lab are attacking land owners with this price increase - those who provide people with things to create SL. Sure, not all content creators are landowners - but even if you rent mall space, someone has to provide you with that space and pay for it.

We already py over the odds to own land, to provide stuff for Linden Lab to showcase.

The target HAS to be freebie accounts, because whatever 'justification' there may be for having them, they are using resources and costing LL money, and giving nothing back for it. The occasional L$ purchase is not contributing anything towards running costs.

10% of the playerbase are subsidising the other 90%. THAT is the problem here, and why Zee Linden appears to be completely ignoring that fact is beyond comprehension.

It's just a shame that SL is being badly promoted and badly marketed, and offers little incentive to the many freeloaders to actually contribute something of value by upgrading their account to premium and perhaps owning land. Why is that not being addressed, instead of hitting the easy target?

It's the same mistake as account verification. You can provide fake details, but if you're honest, you get nobbled for a $10 charge for each alt, and restricted to only 5. Honest people, with the most commitment to SL, suffer for it; just like with land.

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Kyrah Abattoir
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11-05-2006 18:41
wich is why i closed my island to accounts with no credit cards , and i think its what LL would want us to do, it would create a natural incentive for freeloaders to upgrade if a lot of places do not accept them

but i xcan understand how hard it can be a lot of peoples i know have at least one friend that has no ccard infos, closing your place to a friend isn't really what you might want to do.

the thing is we should have received this account type filtering at the moment LL opened the flood gates.
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Kittyhawk Zeta
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11-05-2006 19:10
I'd have to agree with those who said that a petition is unlike to tell them anything they didn't know, that it's OK for them to raise prices, that if they raise prices too high that people will not pay (and so prices will drop) and that the influx of RL business and unregistered accounts are actually problems that need to be addressed. My only real correction is that I don't think Linden Labs is hoping we will shun the new people and treat them poorly in the hopes they will upgrade. I suspect they don't even understand the extent to which that is happening.
Darque Angel
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Easiest petition there is .. its called boycott :-)
11-05-2006 20:14
Stop playing go elsewhere leave play something new ...... hell go for a walk whatever it may be just get out of SL thats the noisest and most noticable way for them to hear you.
No players=no new dodge/ford/chevy/who ever it maybe ...... they will look and they will see declining numbers if you and only you the player speak(boycott) loudly
Doubledown Tandino
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Join date: 9 Mar 2006
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11-05-2006 20:24
Another request for another petition....
There's usually a petition for any thing that revolves around LL changing something.

If there's 1,000,000 "registered users", even if every single person in the forums signed a petition.. that would make up about 1%.

Furthermore, no petition would be effective because alts could sign it.

Furthermore, LL doesn't need a petition to realize that the residents don't agree with a price increase. They weren't sitting in the planning meeting thinking 'hey, I know what the residents will enjoy, a huge price increase' .. then the petition comes and they say 'oh wow, I never realised the residents would disagree with our decision.'

The petition is this: If you are not happy with something LL does, STOP PAYING FOR IT
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Kylie Ni
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11-05-2006 20:28
The petition is this: If you are not happy with something LL does, STOP PAYING FOR IT
Now this I like very very much I totally agree. loss of money=LL will have to do something different. I wonder if they ever stopped and thought (lets give them something worth paying for ?)
Swythe Armistice
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11-06-2006 08:02
From: Ceera Murakami
Unless you get Anshe Chung or some of the other really large sim owners and landholders to act, you won't get so much as an eye blink from LL. And honestly, I expect Anshe is profiting enough from the current situation that she would ignore you.

If the hundreds of complaints in the Blogs didn't get even an eye blink of consideration for reversing course on the cost increase, I'd have to say any 'petition' is doomed. LL simply does NOT want to listen to the customers who use their product.


Well, nothing hurts to try. Thank you for the idea.
Swythe Armistice
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11-06-2006 08:06
From: Kylie Ni
The petition is this: If you are not happy with something LL does, STOP PAYING FOR IT
Now this I like very very much I totally agree. loss of money=LL will have to do something different. I wonder if they ever stopped and thought (lets give them something worth paying for ?)

The idea of stopping my current business actions would strip some of my business owners of some very nessasary income. I can tell you that I know some of my cleints more personally then probably the larger owners, one uses her SL income to pay for perscriptions she otherwise wouldn't be able to afford (she is incapable of working).