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deadly insult by a person in SL. What to do?

MetalSandy Oh
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07-22-2007 08:23
hello, I have a little problem. I am a woman and I have an official partnership to another woman here in SL. But one of her so-called "friends" isn't able to accept that and begun, to bother me with deadly insults via IM and chat and so on. Is there anybody, who can tell me, how I can stop this? Is there a chance, to ask LindenLab for help?
please talk to me. I am waiting for answers. Thanks a lot, greetings, your Sandra
Brenda Connolly
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07-22-2007 08:25
What do you mean deadly insult? Threatening to physically harm someone? AR them immediately with all the chat logs. It could be a matter for the police, if they ae actual threats.
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07-22-2007 08:29
I'd also recommend talking with your partner and explaining the situation in a calm way. No, I do not think that the partner will be able to 'ride herd' on the friend, but it might be better to do that now, than to have things explode and the partner be completely in the dark.

And yes, if the threats involve RL life and limb, by all means AR them. If they don't.. put the friend on mute.
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Peggy Paperdoll
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07-22-2007 08:33
AR them no matter if threats are for real life harm or virtual harm. Threats of the real life nature are a real life crime for police or law enforcement to sort out. Virtual threats in Second Life are for Linden Labs to sort out.

And if I thought it was real life threats, I'd call my ISP, police, and Linden Labs immediately.......not tomorrow, right now!!
Arikinui Adria
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07-22-2007 08:35
For the time being (until something "official" is done), mute the person if you haven't already. It will at least give you some peace from the IM's.
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Aleister Montgomery
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07-22-2007 08:40
Mute him, ban him from your land, ask friends and acquaintances to ban him too and file an AR.
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AndiCat Noel
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07-22-2007 09:10
By all means, don't put up with that, in SL or RL.

AR, mute him, call the police . . . do whatever you have to.

Best of luck to you.
Raymond Figtree
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07-22-2007 11:11
If they were deadly, how were you able to post this thread?

Words hurt, but thankfully they don't kill. You might want to read the book The Four Agreements.
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Raynor Hammerer
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07-22-2007 11:56
The OP used "deadly" to indicate that these are very strong insults. There does not seem to be any physical threat. Yet, it is not a tolerable situation.
Alyx Sands
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07-22-2007 12:17
...in German, you can use "deadly" that way without being completely over the top. As the OP is a native speaker of German I'm sure she didn't want to imply physical assaults (I've already said something on her prob in the German part of the forum).
And no, I wouldn't tolerate that either. AR, mute, ban. ;)
Angelique LaFollette
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07-22-2007 12:39
From: Peggy Paperdoll
AR them no matter if threats are for real life harm or virtual harm. Threats of the real life nature are a real life crime for police or law enforcement to sort out. Virtual threats in Second Life are for Linden Labs to sort out.

And if I thought it was real life threats, I'd call my ISP, police, and Linden Labs immediately.......not tomorrow, right now!!

I'm not sure what the American law is on this subject, But Under the Canadian Criminal Code "Uttering Threats" is classified as an indictable offence (Felony) and is Punishable by up to Five years Imprisonment. It doesn't matter what media is used to convey the Threat as long as the threatened Party feels it is a Real and Credible Threat to thier safety.
If any of the Threats are Accompanied by Homophobic Rhetoric, We can now Under Canadian Law Eleveate the offence to a Hate Crime. Punishments for hate crimes in Canada are signifigantly More than That for simply Uttering Threats.

I agree with the general responses here, report it quickly as Harassment, and be sure to do so within a day of receiving the Threat so LL can Track back and examine the Communications. be sure to include the Time log of the communication. You Can Include Portions of the text to Illustrate your concern, But it won't really be considered as direct evidence, Chats Can be faked, so LL goes ONLY by their own Logs of communications.
Do a seperate AR for Each Communication, Do NOT gang them together, and MOST important, no matter what is said to you do NOT answer back (Don't even warn them they will be ARed), Just AR, and AR again.

IF you feel the threats levelled by this person have Some Chance of being carried out, then i would also advise Examining your RL legal Options as Well.

Were I, you, i would Inform your Partner of the Steps you are Taking, But do NOT ask them to Take Sides. IF your Partner has any honor, you need not ask for support,It would be Offered without hesitation, and If they do not, Asking would be pointless as any support they gave you would be half hearted at best. Asking people to Choose between friends isn't always the best route to go, as one is seldom Satisfied with the response.

Angel.
Brenda Connolly
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07-22-2007 12:42
We have a similar law, Making Terroistic Threats, I believe. If the statements threaten physical harm.
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07-22-2007 12:47
/me agrees on ARing them and if a RL threat, call the authorities. Also i don't get why other people need to be so concerned about other peoples relationships. I myself have been harassed and mistreated by someone about being partnered to someone they don't like. In my case i got banned from a sim for it because the sim owner didn't like my partner. From that day forth we have not been partnered in SL but have still been partners. We just don't like how some people choose to take it... *shrugs*
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07-22-2007 13:41
I'd mute the person and ban them from your land. Then, as far as you're concerned, they no longer exist unless you happen to bump into them.
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07-22-2007 14:51
From: Conifer Dada
I'd mute the person and ban them from your land. Then, as far as you're concerned, they no longer exist unless you happen to bump into them.

That usually works (i know it has most of the time for me), except unless they cause drama and spread rumors behind your back about you to everyone you know or don't know. Most of the time if a friend hears those rumors they will bring it to your attention though.
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Har Fairweather
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07-22-2007 15:37
depressing that there are such poisonous people around. Shakespeare had it right when he create Iago (in Othello). : (
Perre Anatine
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07-22-2007 15:39
MetalSandy, I'm guessing your first language isn't English, so your use of the word 'deadly' is possibly a little misleading to some of us. So tell us what happened...

If it's a RL issue then call the police..now!!

If it's a SL issue then don't panic..they can insult..they can IM..they can do whatever they like..but don't let it get to you, it's only typewritten words after all. You on the other hand can AR them and Linden(hopefully) will investigate and resolve the problem.

Tell us what happened MS. :)
Peggy Paperdoll
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07-22-2007 17:01
From: Angelique LaFollette
I'm not sure what the American law is on this subject, But Under the Canadian Criminal Code "Uttering Threats" is classified as an indictable offence (Felony) and is Punishable by up to Five years Imprisonment. It doesn't matter what media is used to convey the Threat as long as the threatened Party feels it is a Real and Credible Threat to thier safety.
If any of the Threats are Accompanied by Homophobic Rhetoric, We can now Under Canadian Law Eleveate the offence to a Hate Crime. Punishments for hate crimes in Canada are signifigantly More than That for simply Uttering Threats.
Angel.


Pretty much the same here in the US.......though I'm not sure of the time of imprisonment for a conviction. In the US, you do not need to contact a lawyer........simply file a report with the local police or law inforcement agency. If it were me, I'd start with a phone call to the police department in my area (not 911 though) and ask who would be the best agency to contact officially.......and take it there. I'd definitely call my ISP and Linden Labs too.

However, this is assuming the worse and it's a case of a real physical threat to my health and well being. Simple name calling or harassment is an AR. Either way, I report it.
Jiimmy Jun
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07-23-2007 05:02
Hmmmm...... SL isnt real............does this person know who you are in RL? IF not then just mute and report and get on with SL in fun....
Cherry Czervik
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07-23-2007 06:02
AR them and make sure you flag it up as INTOLERANCE.

IM the guy back and call him a haariger affe :)

THEN ... don't ignore him. My usual advice. Every time he sends you something just send back the word penguin :)

If he thinks he is not getting you upset he will get bored and stop bothering you anyway, so why not respond in a way that will be very very tedious to him and can't get you an AR yourself.

OK so I like penguins. Is it a crime? (So long as I am not liking them carnally ... or licking them ... but I don't like penguins that much ...)
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Marty Starbrook
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07-23-2007 06:50
I dont mean to be funny....

BUT

All we have established is that the OP is a woman with an SL woman partner,

We have not established the following
The threat was IRL
The person is known IRL
The "friend" was male.

As these are assumptions made by other people.

All i would recomend is that if the threats continue then you SHOULD mute them streight away and then AR them.]

Good luck

Marty
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07-23-2007 07:19
See, this is why virtual guns were created!

Blast away!!!!
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MetalSandy Oh
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Thanks to you all
07-23-2007 08:40
dear writers,
thank you all for your reviews. As quintessence of your words I have decidet to AR this guy. I have saved the whole conversation to my PC and now I will tell LindenLab. They will make their decision, what to do now.
And if I hear something, I will post it here.

Thank you again and hope to give you the news very soon.

Your Sandy
Angelique LaFollette
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07-23-2007 12:16
From: Marty Starbrook
I dont mean to be funny....

BUT

All we have established is that the OP is a woman with an SL woman partner,

We have not established the following
The threat was IRL
The person is known IRL
The "friend" was male.

As these are assumptions made by other people.

All i would recomend is that if the threats continue then you SHOULD mute them streight away and then AR them.]

Good luck

Marty

Quite true, But as we have limited information to go on, the More information we provide the OP, the More likely she is to find her appropriate answer among the Options, ALSO, anyone else who May be suffering the same thing to lesser, Or GREATER degree, May find their answer here as well. the RA Forum isn't really Just about answering the Single OP asking for help, as much as it is about providing a Useful Pool of Information for anyone who needs it.
SL Is a Community, and one persons problems Can become anothers, Or the whole Communities.

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