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Xplorer Cannoli
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08-03-2007 14:41
Is it reporting what you are feeling right now?

Its so disgusting to see the honest casinos abiding by the rules and the dishonest casinos are allowed to continue business, busier than usual. This is not right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceGPSr19Qh8
Darien Caldwell
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08-03-2007 15:13
"Honest Casino" Isn't that one of those things they call an Oxymoron? :p
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08-03-2007 15:47
Good work to the guy who put that video together, well-done production.
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08-03-2007 17:05
With his last statement about reselling the land, he went from being a reporter to being a commentator.
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Aleister Montgomery
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08-03-2007 20:00
Why is it "disgusting" that some people deliver a service demanded by others? Because it's now against the law, and the law is always right? You have to be kidding me.

A law doesn't mean anything other than that one can get punished for not obeying it. It doesn't make something right or wrong. It doesn't follow some universal morality. In many cases, it can be wrong to follow the law.

There was a time in Germany when everyone who provided refuge to "public enemies" (like Jews, homosexuals or liberals) instead of ratting them out acted against the law. Later, a lot of war criminals were punished for following orders and obeying laws.

Some decades later, former GDR (DDR) border patrol members were convicted for following laws and orders as well, i.e. for shooting innocent people who commited the "crime" of attempting to escape from their country.

Just to show that laws can be wrong, and following laws without thinking is often wrong as well. Of course, that can't be compared to the nonsensical laws about online gambling. The gambling prohibition steals only a little freedom from the public, it doesn't take all freedom away. Kinda like breaking someone's finger; it doesn't endanger their life and is only a little bit wrong, not wrong on the same level as murder.

Before condemning someone, think for at least one minute and ask yourself: What are they objectively doing wrong? Are they harming anyone? Could it be the law that is wrong in this case?
No political system is safe from setting up nonsensical or outright wrong rules. Take cannabis for example, a harmless, non-addictive drug with astonishing medical benefits. In how many countries can it legally be sold and consumed? See.
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Xplorer Cannoli
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08-03-2007 21:00
From: Aleister Montgomery
Why is it "disgusting" that some people deliver a service demanded by others? Because it's now against the law, and the law is always right? You have to be kidding me.

A law doesn't mean anything other than that one can get punished for not obeying it. It doesn't make something right or wrong. It doesn't follow some universal morality. In many cases, it can be wrong to follow the law.

There was a time in Germany when everyone who provided refuge to "public enemies" (like Jews, homosexuals or liberals) instead of ratting them out acted against the law. Later, a lot of war criminals were punished for following orders and obeying laws.

Some decades later, former GDR (DDR) border patrol members were convicted for following laws and orders as well, i.e. for shooting innocent people who commited the "crime" of attempting to escape from their country.

Just to show that laws can be wrong, and following laws without thinking is often wrong as well. Of course, that can't be compared to the nonsensical laws about online gambling. The gambling prohibition steals only a little freedom from the public, it doesn't take all freedom away. Kinda like breaking someone's finger; it doesn't endanger their life and is only a little bit wrong, not wrong on the same level as murder.

Before condemning someone, think for at least one minute and ask yourself: What are they objectively doing wrong? Are they harming anyone? Could it be the law that is wrong in this case?
No political system is safe from setting up nonsensical or outright wrong rules. Take cannabis for example, a harmless, non-addictive drug with astonishing medical benefits. In how many countries can it legally be sold and consumed? See.


I think its disgusting that LL allows some and not the others. I have nothing against gambling per se. Its your right to do as you please.

Besides, according to your logic, if the public has a demand for child porn it should be right. WRONG.

Lastly, don't shoot the messenger. don't read into what my beliefs are. I just poked at how LL posts the blog about making gambling obsolete and the enforcement they would be doing and all I see are underground casinos popping up. Some of the larger ones are still in business.

All I am saying is either allow it or don't. Stop the pussy footing around with what is banned and not banned. People should not have to freak out because they want to use a sploder.
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08-04-2007 02:01
From: Xplorer Cannoli
I think its disgusting that LL allows some and not the others. I have nothing against gambling per se. Its your right to do as you please.


LL posts on the blog to keep up a certain public image. Inworld, they only act on Abuse Reports. As long as we don't point a finger and make accusations, gambling will continue to draw new residents and provide entertainment for them.

From: Xplorer Cannoli
Besides, according to your logic, if the public has a demand for child porn it should be right. WRONG.


You misunderstand my argument. The point was, something that doesn't harm anyone shouldn't be illegal. As soon as someone gets hurt (other than by hurting himself), it makes sense to call the hurtful act a crime. Otherwise it's an infringement of our personal freedom.

From: Xplorer Cannoli
Lastly, don't shoot the messenger. don't read into what my beliefs are. I just poked at how LL posts the blog about making gambling obsolete and the enforcement they would be doing and all I see are underground casinos popping up. Some of the larger ones are still in business.

All I am saying is either allow it or don't. Stop the pussy footing around with what is banned and not banned. People should not have to freak out because they want to use a sploder.


Well, when I read "disgusting", "dishonest" and "this is not right", it tells me something about your personal opinion.

LL's pussy footing is needed to keep a certain appearance without having to ban or to scare away large numbers of residents. Same with their speech about sexual violence, broadly offensive content etc... looks good to the sponsors and Joe Moralist, but luckily LL acts only in extreme cases.
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08-04-2007 02:45
Next time Linden Lab close down a casino, perhaps they should also take action against people who happen to be there gambling at the time.

After all, the only way to get rid of casinos truly is to get rid of - or at least give warnings to - those that are silly enough to frequent them. If there is no demand, people won't be making them.

Gambling is harmful. It's addictive. It's a proven fact. Linden Lab have made the decision to ban casinos because of real life rules, and you either have to comply with them or suffer. I'd much rather not have casinos than not have Second Life at all, having been closed down by the US government.

I really don't think you can compare Nazi Germany with Linden Lab banning gambling; it's not even in the same zipcode. Oh, and free speech? Forget it, doesn't exist online.

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Archer Braun
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08-04-2007 03:11
From: Aleister Montgomery
The gambling prohibition steals only a little freedom from the public, it doesn't take all freedom away. Kinda like breaking someone's finger; it doesn't endanger their life and is only a little bit wrong, not wrong on the same level as murder.

Before condemning someone, think for at least one minute and ask yourself: What are they objectively doing wrong? Are they harming anyone? Could it be the law that is wrong in this case?


When a script-heavy casino decides to take a massive, blingy, dump onto a sim where I live - and then packs itself with camping zombies on top of its customers and keeps me from enjoying MY time in MY home - then I'd hardly compare them to holocaust victims, or Joe Smoke who got busted for toking away quietly in the privacy of his own basement.

Casino's weren't speakeasys gathering a few folks together for a little harmless fun ... they were ... and in some instances, remain to be ... friggin' crack houses.
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08-04-2007 03:17
From: Archer Braun
Casino's weren't speakeasys gathering a few folks together for a little harmless fun ... they were ... and in some instances, remain to be ... friggin' crack houses.


That's why I make sure I AR every one I come across in my travels. It's the only way.

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Xplorer Cannoli
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08-04-2007 06:57
From: Aleister Montgomery


Well, when I read "disgusting", "dishonest" and "this is not right", it tells me something about your personal opinion.


"Disgusting" was not in reference to gambling, it was to LL.

"Dishonest" was referring to the casinos that remain open and violate the rules posted on the blog.

"This is not right" is about LL not acting when they said they would.

I think your taking my point and making the thread about what you want it to be about. I am not here to debate gambling. I dont care if its on the grid or not. My point is:

If LL is going to make people close their doors because of a threat, then they ought to take a bite with the teeth they just displayed.

Lastly, if you break apart my comments again, I will not answer you. I dont have all day to sit here and respond to misinterpetations.
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08-04-2007 07:26
From: Aleister Montgomery
You misunderstand my argument. The point was, something that doesn't harm anyone shouldn't be illegal


Are you serious? Are you saying that gambling "doesn't harm anyone"?

Kris.