Can lag or sim crash cause land sale?

I had two parcels that were far apart and didn't share a border. I'll call them A and B. A was very large; B was very small. I had A set for sale then changed my mind. I set "cancel land sale" on A and then sectioned-off and placed B on sale. B was set to sell for a very small dollar amount. The moment I clicked the last action to place B on sale, it sold (land purchase bot I presume). Shortly thereafter, I discovered A and B had both sold together. The TN log showed that A sold for the small dollar amount and B sold for zero dollars at the exact same second of time!

While trying to sort out what happened, I noticed if I right-clicked on either parcel, both parcles highlighted. I thought two parcels could only be linked if they shared a border.

I must add that during this time, the sim was doing very very strange things, e.g., I couldn't move, or stop flying, or land helicopter, super severe lag, etc., and then the sim crashed from the San Francisco power failure july 25. Needless to say, the buyer profited quite well from the mistake even though I pleaded and pleaded with her that a mistake had somehow been made and I was willing to offer her something in return for her understanding. I was pretty much told tough luck.

So, the burning questions are:

Can two physically separate parcels be joined somehow? And, if so, how? I can't replicate it.

How can I prove/disprove this may have been a fault of the sim crash? Or, does it make any difference? Meaning, would SL pursue my money being returned?

Since B was part of A they are connected by your definition since you cannot separate parcel that are not connected.
Might have been a bug in database not updating for parcel information since as you describe it was when SL was acting flaky.
Report it to Linden Lab using the bug reporting tool.

In addition, I would file a support ticket. You never know.

my answer?

talk to one of the Lindens, anything we can tell you would be just us saying what we think should happen and odds are your not going to like some of what we say. and bascialy with the system being as flakey as it is, I would hold off on doing anything you dont absolutly need to do for a bit untill we know the game is stable.

As it is I would sooner trust my life to a aircraft made out of instant jello than do anything perminent for now.

hmm

I think thats what I will try to build next!

Yes you can join 2 parcels that are separated by other parcels you do not own. You may have to zoom out with the camera far enough to do so, but if you are able to stretch the yellow land selection box from one to another, you can join them and it will simply ignore the parcels inbetween that you do not own.

Thank you for your time and help, Destiny.

RE: Since B was part of A they are connected by your definition

You've lost me there. A was sectioned off as a separate piece and B was sectioned off as a separate piece. I'm a bit of a newbie so I'm probably missing something but to the best of my knowledge the only thing A and B had in common is they were both owned by me.

Ebonynight - you're funny. Yes, I've been trying to join a Group since Friday and "Service Unavailable" has not changed.

Yes, I did file a report with SL along with screen captures and all the documentation I had. At last check, no response.

Thanks to all, I have learned it is somehow possible to have two parcels without adjacent borders to be joined (However, SL documentation states that to join parcels they must share a border). But for the life of me, I don't know how I could have done that. Heck, I can't do it again and I've been trying ever since.

It sounds like they were part of the same parcel. This can be done in various ways, even when parcels are not next to each other. For example, if you subdivide a piece in the center of a parcel, the two pieces on either side will still be a single parcel. The fact that right-clicking one highlighted both says they were in fact connected and considered to be a single parcel.

Also, your transaction record showed one sale of the small amount of money, and a second of zero. That is what you would see for a SINGLE land sale. The first is the money transferred from the buyer to the seller, and the second is the land transferred from the seller to the buyer. I don't know why LL does the accounting that way, but I have bought and sold about 15-20 properties, and it usually shows up that way in my transaction history (it didn't with my most recent acquisition, but that was purchased directly for a group, and the land was never in my possession).

So, at least from what you've told us, it really appears that it was in fact a single parcel in two separate pieces, and that putting the lesser price on the smaller piece resulted in the sale of the whole parcel, just as it should have.

What you didn't tell us, and which might affect whether or not you have a legitimate system error here...

When you looked at "About Land" for the two different parcels, what was the area listed (the square meters)? Was it different on the two parcels?

When you were putting the land up for sale, it specifically tells you how much L$/m2 you are charging. Did you pay attention to that number? What was it?

Jannae. I've edited out the name. I'm not so sure why it's such a big no no. The person's profile even states something to the effect of, "if you accidentally sold your land too cheap, be real nice to me or else..."

If someone tried to sell your wallet back to you, do you think your neighbors would be interested in the seller's character?

Ava, thanks for the nice reply. You asked the $64,000 question that would've resolved the matter. Unforrtunately, everything was acting so weird, I was apparently distracted. That is to say everything was acting so strange just before the sim crash I couldn't really tell for sure what was happening, if that makes any sense. I do remember that I was being very systematic about the actions I took so I don't know how it could have happened...but apparently it did.

So, the bottom line is consensus seems to make it clear that the two parcels could have been sold in such a way as they did sell. Meaning, it may have been my error. And, that's what I needed to know; if it was probable.

The issue of the person taking advantage of another is a separate matter. On the other hand, the very nature of SL lends to people doing things they wouldn't do to their neighbor because there - they have to be accountable.

Do keep in mind that there is nothing evil or wrong about someone purchasing an underpriced parcel. If this buyer didn't do it, another one would have just a few seconds later.

Admittedly the buyer's profile statement is a little threatening, but I expect it's just a reaction to people whose first reaction is to send violent IMs accusing the buyer of criminal acts -- when of course they did nothing wrong. The brunt of it is "You made a mistake, so if you want my help fixing it, don't be a complete a**hole to me." Obviously there could be more tactful ways of putting it, but perhaps they would be less effective.

On the bright side, it does indicate that if you approach the buyer politely about it, they might sell you back your land at the same price (or maybe a little more, as they might have incurred extra tier by holding the land). If you don't hear back from an IM, they might be capped, so you might then try sending a notecard. Again, be polite, and explain the situation briefly and plainly without emotion or accusation.

1 parcel separated by other parcels that don't belong to you will 'look' like 2 parcels when you click on about land, especially if they are far apart and you only look at one of the sections of the single parcel. This happened to me when I was editing some new land I had bought where I already own land. There was a 16sqm piece of land that I owned, but I never remember owning it! Then I look closer and it said 11600sqm (or so) and then I zoom out and see rest of parcel highlighted. This one little section was on other side of linden roadway.

Sorry you lost land.

Just trying to keep you put of trouble. It seems like you have had a bad enough day already.

PM me the name of the person you sold the land to since I missed it before you deleted it. If it's the person I think it is, I may be able to help put in a good word to get your land back.

EDIT: Nevermind, that is not the person I was hoping it would be. I saw the name in the other quoted post.

It does not sound like a lag issue but that you actually sold one separated parcel. I think you may be out of luck

Jannae, if you would be so kind to remove my quote from your post, it would really help. Bless you.

Oops, silly me. Practice what you preach.

Thanks Ski

Love,
Jannae