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sky Schildhauer

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05-08-2007 02:56

i live in Australia and i don't have a passport, iv'e never considered getting on because i don't plan on ever travelling outside Australia, now, one of the forms of identification that could be needed is a passport which costs $193 AU. Obviously i'll get one if i really have to but is there any other forms of identification i can use instead? we dont have ID numbers in Australia, i have a birth and marriage certificate, a medicare card and a proof of age card, would those things be enough or is the passport going to be needed too?

thankyou,

sky

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05-08-2007 03:14

From: sky Schildhauer

i live in Australia and i don't have a passport, iv'e never considered getting on because i don't plan on ever travelling outside Australia, now, one of the forms of identification that could be needed is a passport which costs $193 AU. Obviously i'll get one if i really have to but is there any other forms of identification i can use instead? we dont have ID numbers in Australia, i have a birth and marriage certificate, a medicare card and a proof of age card, would those things be enough or is the passport going to be needed too?

thankyou,

sky

Hey sky!

They need just one form of ID...like in your case a birth certificate. No need to buy a passport.

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05-08-2007 03:49

From: sky Schildhauer

i live in Australia and i don't have a passport, iv'e never considered getting on because i don't plan on ever travelling outside Australia, now, one of the forms of identification that could be needed is a passport which costs $193 AU. Obviously i'll get one if i really have to but is there any other forms of identification i can use instead? we dont have ID numbers in Australia, i have a birth and marriage certificate, a medicare card and a proof of age card, would those things be enough or is the passport going to be needed too?

Since Linden Lab will not be the company verifying your age (it'll be done through Integrity Services), I seriously doubt they know the answer to your question. I'd suggest asking Integrity. My guess is that as an international provider of Age Verification services, they're aware of Austrialia's age verification measures and will have already taken them into account. However, the ONLY people who can answer your question are the people at Integrity. Anything else is mere speculation.

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sky Schildhauer

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05-08-2007 03:49

oh really?

well thats a releif lol, i just found out i might be going to Germany in a year to see family so i will need a passport eventually but i'm glad i wont be needing one for age verification right now.

thankyou =^.^=

sky

Francesca Alva

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05-08-2007 04:01

Holding a passport doesn't necessarily mean you're an adult. Are they going to want to see the passport? Will they contact the issuing office to determine whether or not it was issued to an adult?

I suppose I should look this up on the Integrity website but [yawn] can't really be bothered. Just thought I'd toss another ingredient into the seething cauldron that is the Age Verification debate.

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05-08-2007 04:03

From: Francesca Alva

Holding a passport doesn't necessarily mean you're an adult. Are they going to want to see the passport? Will they contact the issuing office to determine whether or not it was issued to an adult?

In a 2 minute service? Highly doubtful.

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05-08-2007 04:17

From: Francesca Alva

Holding a passport doesn't necessarily mean you're an adult. Are they going to want to see the passport? Will they contact the issuing office to determine whether or not it was issued to an adult?

They probably just match data from multiple sources, erring on one side or the other. You won't be able to just give a passport number, they'll want more information to check.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,212806,00.html

From: someone

Phillips' program asks viewers for their name and address along with their birth date, he said.

Aristotle checks that information against a government database to verify it. For more rigorous checks, viewers give part or all of a driver's license number, which is checked. Sometimes Aristotle employees call a home telephone number to verify the information.

If the information doesn't add up, Aristotle informs their client company, which can choose to block the viewer from their Web site, Philips said.

My favourite sentence in the article (Philips is one of the CEOs):

From: someone

None of the methods are foolproof, Phillips said. But they cut down on improper Internet viewing.

Caranda Schreiner

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05-08-2007 05:30

If Integrity/Aristotle are claiming to be able to verify an Australian's adulthood via their passport number then that is just plain false.

First, because they cannot access any sort of list of passport holders, let alone find out which passport number belongs to which person. That information is kept in the strictest confidence and its a criminal offence here to disclose it.

Secondly, because children get their own passports in Australia, I know because I had one. Holding an Australian passport proves even less about your age than holding a credit card.

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sky Schildhauer Registered User Join date: 24 Dec 2006 Posts: 9	05-08-2007 02:56 i live in Australia and i don't have a passport, iv'e never considered getting on because i don't plan on ever travelling outside Australia, now, one of the forms of identification that could be needed is a passport which costs $193 AU. Obviously i'll get one if i really have to but is there any other forms of identification i can use instead? we dont have ID numbers in Australia, i have a birth and marriage certificate, a medicare card and a proof of age card, would those things be enough or is the passport going to be needed too? thankyou, sky
Mandy Carbenell Recent Item Join date: 27 Dec 2006 Posts: 847	05-08-2007 03:14 From: sky Schildhauer i live in Australia and i don't have a passport, iv'e never considered getting on because i don't plan on ever travelling outside Australia, now, one of the forms of identification that could be needed is a passport which costs $193 AU. Obviously i'll get one if i really have to but is there any other forms of identification i can use instead? we dont have ID numbers in Australia, i have a birth and marriage certificate, a medicare card and a proof of age card, would those things be enough or is the passport going to be needed too? thankyou, sky Hey sky! They need just one form of ID...like in your case a birth certificate. No need to buy a passport. Mandy C _____________________ Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level.
Kamael Xevious Dreams are like water Join date: 24 May 2004 Posts: 248	05-08-2007 03:49 From: sky Schildhauer i live in Australia and i don't have a passport, iv'e never considered getting on because i don't plan on ever travelling outside Australia, now, one of the forms of identification that could be needed is a passport which costs $193 AU. Obviously i'll get one if i really have to but is there any other forms of identification i can use instead? we dont have ID numbers in Australia, i have a birth and marriage certificate, a medicare card and a proof of age card, would those things be enough or is the passport going to be needed too? Since Linden Lab will not be the company verifying your age (it'll be done through Integrity Services), I seriously doubt they know the answer to your question. I'd suggest asking Integrity. My guess is that as an international provider of Age Verification services, they're aware of Austrialia's age verification measures and will have already taken them into account. However, the ONLY people who can answer your question are the people at Integrity. Anything else is mere speculation. Kam _____________________ IX Exotica--It's where you want to be!
sky Schildhauer Registered User Join date: 24 Dec 2006 Posts: 9	05-08-2007 03:49 oh really? well thats a releif lol, i just found out i might be going to Germany in a year to see family so i will need a passport eventually but i'm glad i wont be needing one for age verification right now. thankyou =^.^= sky
Francesca Alva Registered Trademark Join date: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 507	I've just had a thought (yes - it does happen) 05-08-2007 04:01 Holding a passport doesn't necessarily mean you're an adult. Are they going to want to see the passport? Will they contact the issuing office to determine whether or not it was issued to an adult? I suppose I should look this up on the Integrity website but [yawn] can't really be bothered. Just thought I'd toss another ingredient into the seething cauldron that is the Age Verification debate. _____________________
Sys Slade Registered User Join date: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 626	05-08-2007 04:03 From: Francesca Alva Holding a passport doesn't necessarily mean you're an adult. Are they going to want to see the passport? Will they contact the issuing office to determine whether or not it was issued to an adult? In a 2 minute service? Highly doubtful. _____________________ Send me the last 4 digits of a valid SSN, I'll verify you are who you say you are, even if you aren't.
Kitty Barnett Registered User Join date: 10 May 2006 Posts: 5,586	05-08-2007 04:17 From: Francesca Alva Holding a passport doesn't necessarily mean you're an adult. Are they going to want to see the passport? Will they contact the issuing office to determine whether or not it was issued to an adult? They probably just match data from multiple sources, erring on one side or the other. You won't be able to just give a passport number, they'll want more information to check. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,212806,00.html From: someone Phillips' program asks viewers for their name and address along with their birth date, he said. Aristotle checks that information against a government database to verify it. For more rigorous checks, viewers give part or all of a driver's license number, which is checked. Sometimes Aristotle employees call a home telephone number to verify the information. If the information doesn't add up, Aristotle informs their client company, which can choose to block the viewer from their Web site, Philips said. My favourite sentence in the article (Philips is one of the CEOs): From: someone None of the methods are foolproof, Phillips said. But they cut down on improper Internet viewing.
Caranda Schreiner Registered User Join date: 11 Jun 2006 Posts: 98	05-08-2007 05:30 If Integrity/Aristotle are claiming to be able to verify an Australian's adulthood via their passport number then that is just plain false. First, because they cannot access any sort of list of passport holders, let alone find out which passport number belongs to which person. That information is kept in the strictest confidence and its a criminal offence here to disclose it. Secondly, because children get their own passports in Australia, I know because I had one. Holding an Australian passport proves even less about your age than holding a credit card.