Since i'm not inworld until at least November 24th

In solidarity with other content providers over the copybot. I'm asking all the mall owners whom I have vendors with to please return all my vendors/products to me.

Sylfie's Prim Seduction is closing down until further notice.

Regretfully,
Sylfie

I honestly don't understand the "I'm not selling any more items" stance.

The thing is, CB can't copy items in your vendors, so in order for CB to even copy your items, someone still has to buy it = you still get money. If you don't sell anyting, then you don't get money anyway....

so basically, you're taking the guarantee of no money instead of the chance of slightly reduced income as people pirate what you're selling.

Is this just a principle thing, like a hunger strike?

The whole thing is pretty much result of lack of understanding in the first place.

"gee why would anyone ever mind an application that allows to fully clone things be put out there in the open, source and all"

edit: oh and the thing is basically a display of disappointment with LL's attitude towards the issue, as far as i can tell...

Hi Sylfie,

Look on the positive side. This can be developed to back up your own components to your own hard drive. You'll be able to protect yourself from the vagaries of sl servers and asset servers! When sl competitors come along you will have a running start (maybe with a bit of translation)!

Eventually sl will properly bake av's clothing on that av's pc's client and the danger of copying individual garments will be less. Copiers will need to buy the stuff they copy and they need to display it to sell it!

Why should sl be any different to the rest of the internet? There is absolutely nothing that cannot be copied except back end scripts! This is why modern internet sites work with php, java, etc on the back end server. Everything else is fair game! Get used to it!

Ed

It's not only principle but waiting for LL to implement something.. ANYTHING about it.

Some vendors were already seeing content reselling from cheesy alts created today.

You mean, there actually are things on the web that cannot be copied, and it's what people focus on developing?

Gee, i wonder why.

Where is the SL equivalent of such copy-secure means of world creation, then? After all if SL is to be like web, there should be some, right?

The scripts we write! They will become more powerful and eventually take over animations when in mono they are 50 to 150 times faster than now. It will change the way sl works! (eventualy . . . . . )

In other words, we can settle on conclusion that much like rest of web, SL is no viable business platform for anyone but coders? (and perhaps porn sellers)

IP has always been subject to theft. That's why the US government, at taxpayer expense, confiscates tons of pirated movies, books, and software every year. Border patrol, customs, and port agents check for more than drugs: they check for counterfeit products, as well.

So Second Life is no more and no less a viable business platform than is selling books, selling music, or even selling movies. Those can all be duplicated in a matter of minutes, and can even be made to look as good or better than the originals.

Doesn't make it right. And there is some laws protecting that, all we have for protection is LL in SL.

All of the laws that apply to the United States of America, the State of California, and (I believe) the city of San Francisco apply to Second Life.

If you found me posting a hypothetical copy of your hypothetical book on my web site, you'd have to contact my hosting provider to take it down.

In this instance, Linden Lab is the hosting company. So you contact Linden Lab. Same deal.

Everyone can walk into an RL clothes store, grab a pair of jeans and run out. Would you tell the shop owner "Get used to it" in this case too? It's true, the police will possibly tell the merchant that it's highly unlikely they'll ever catch the thief. But does this make a pair of jeans "fair game"? I don't think so.

In other words, RL governments take active widescale countermeasures against copyright violation.

Is SL, Linden Lab tells you "hai guyz, if you see someone copy your stuff, file DMCA, k?"

And you really tell with straight face these two are equally viable as business platform? When one offers far higher degree of protection from theft than the other? o.O

Very true, but I think the RL comparison ends there tho. In RL, 1 pair of jeans is just that... a single pair. In Sl with this menace script on the loose, 1 stolen object equals an unlimited supply of full perm perfect copies. Theoretically, that 1 stolen object could mean the true creator could be outsold by many times by some loser.

Well most RL shop keepers are used to shoplifting. They even have a term for it, "shrinkage" they have got used to it by hiring security guards...

Still does not make it right, as much as it is not right to copy someone elses work...

No, I don't. I say that Second Life never was a viable business platform. This just proves it.

... earlier in this very thread:

You have the most curious way of wording things. Almost to the point when they appear to mean exact opposite of what you're really trying to say.

In either case if that's what you were really trying to say then i guess we're in agreement there. But then it pretty much answers your original question, "why are people closing shops?" ... doesn't it?

Sure operating laws, but not laws about thier platform, remember the lovely worded ToS?

You've taken two statments, used in two different contexts, and tried to make it sound like I'm contradicting myself - which I'm not. Both of those comments say pretty much the same thing: SL isn't any more or less secure than any other publishing medium.

One can steal the content in books, CD's, and movies with very little effort and distribute thousands of copies before anyone catches on to what's happening. So it's fair to say that real world publishing is also not "viable". In fact, it's not. Most people who try to publish something in the real world either never sell a thing or lose their shirt.

If you're looking for security, you're simply not going to find it. There's always some risk in publishing, and the fact that people are seeing that risk in a form that has a name (CopyBot, GLIntercept) does not really change the fact that SL has always been an experimental platform with an element of risk.

Perhaps the reason people are so upset is because their assumptions have been so mercilessly dashed in the last 24 hours. The trouble is, those assumptions were built on a faulty foundation: from what I can tell, Linden Lab has never said "Second Life is secure", yet everyone (including LL's marketing people) has acted like it was.

I can see this objectively, but that's because I don't really have anything to lose. Even if you copied everything in my inventory, you haven't taken anything I haven't given away for free at some point.

This is not a forum for announcements; though the situation at present is complicating.

May I remind everyone that this forum is for asking question pertaining to directly & specifically to SecondLife. Violating this simple rule, can have the consequence of being banned from posting in this forum altogether.

This thread is locked pending Linden review.