Partner Dissolution and Joint Land Ownership
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Rena Winkoop
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Join date: 18 Jul 2006
Posts: 2
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04-28-2007 15:01
Is there a process set up to resolve disputes over jointly-held (and purchased) land if a partnership goes awry? I've had some troubles with my partner, and recently bought $80 worth of land (in separate purchases) that we deeded to our group and joined... My purchases total over half the land held, and he's made it clear that he feels enititled to it all if things sour. Help?
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FD Spark
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Join date: 30 Oct 2006
Posts: 4,697
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04-28-2007 15:16
Sadly you're on own there. They assume if you make deals with land and groups that you know what you're doing and if things go wrong you know the risk and deal with it. There no way built in to deal wih land issues even with the land bots other then to avoid them or try to maniplate them to buy land if you're willing to take a loss. Same goes with partnerships if things go badly no one going to make sure your partner gives you half here unless you can take him to small claims court in real life which you may not get any money. I strongly suggest you take your losses and move on. I wouldn't want to deal partner like that personally. Don't give land or make land purchases for groups unless you want to never see the money again.
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Zaphod Kotobide
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Join date: 19 Oct 2006
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04-28-2007 15:18
There is no official process to resolve such disputes. Technically speaking, if you are an owner or officer in your group, you can set the land for sale TO YOURSELF(IM me in world if you need help, this is crucial) for $L0, buy it, cut out a parcel that equals what he contributed, and give it to him. Short of working things out on a personal level, that's really your only option. And you should act quickly because he may be thinking the same thing. It seems like a pretty crummy way to have to deal with the situation, but it's the only way, if you want to avoid losing your investment. From: Rena Winkoop Is there a process set up to resolve disputes over jointly-held (and purchased) land if a partnership goes awry? I've had some troubles with my partner, and recently bought $80 worth of land (in separate purchases) that we deeded to our group and joined... My purchases total over half the land held, and he's made it clear that he feels enititled to it all if things sour. Help?
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Rena Winkoop
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Join date: 18 Jul 2006
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04-28-2007 15:49
yes, no longer officer in group by design i believe. so i can't sell myself the land, or i would have.
i think that's a short-coming here. the transaction history can be traced... they charge for partnering and dissolving the partnership. i can't be the only person in the world who's encountered this. SL needs a court, lol.
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FD Spark
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Join date: 30 Oct 2006
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04-28-2007 16:01
I have friends I have donated tier to their groups and have had officers buy land and even donate lindens for land to me but we've been pretty trusting and kind to each other about the situation. We've traded land tiers when one of us wasn't able to and when they didn't need tier given the land back. These friends haven't had huge expectations and been quite kind about the arrangements or I wouldn't have done it in first place. So I have been extremely lucky. I donated 1520m2 to one friend, she said she give it back, I told her no rush that I didn't expect it back I just was doing it to help her out. If for example I need to reduce tier and couldn't afford the agreement was we would liquidate it. These friends are very emotional mature and kind so I've been extremely lucky about it. I probably would never do this with just anyone. Things have worked out extremely well with the arrangement but I wouldn't just do this with anyone. None of us are partners just friends and our expectations for doing these things is to help each other out and friendship nothing more. Yet if things went sour and trust I gave to these people went badly I would be on my own because Linden Labs even though the transaction history shows our dealings they pretty much hands off unless its going against the TOS. If something happen to me for example and for whatever reason I lost the land, my friends would be effected too. For me the lost would be with land holdings and loans close to 1000 usd. So hopefully fingers crossed things won't go badly in the future but its risk and those involved knew about from the get go. Yes if it goes badly it will hurt but hopefully it won't. Our agreement was I would liquidate and repay those who invested in land and what was spent if I couldn't continue with the tier. I would do that because I valued my friendships.
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Zaphod Kotobide
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Join date: 19 Oct 2006
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04-28-2007 16:25
If you think about it in terms of the real world equivalent of divorce law in a typical US state, you could begin to imagine why Linden Lab wouldn't want to touch it with a ten foot .. erm.. prim. As it stands now, looks like your only hope is to attempt to reconcile as best as possible. Other than that, cut your losses and in the future, protect the investments you make in Second Life. I will most likely never partner with anyone in Second Life, but if I do, darned tootin I'm not going to relinquish my control or interest in assets I've contributed to the relationship. The group roles have been vastly improved, but obviously there are still deficiencies which could use some further looking at. Until then, "you knew the job was dangerous when you took it, fred" Sorry Rena :/ From: Rena Winkoop yes, no longer officer in group by design i believe. so i can't sell myself the land, or i would have. i think that's a short-coming here. the transaction history can be traced... they charge for partnering and dissolving the partnership. i can't be the only person in the world who's encountered this. SL needs a court, lol.
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Looli Vella
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Join date: 9 Feb 2007
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04-28-2007 21:41
From: Rena Winkoop SL needs a court, lol. I feel bad for your situation, but bite your tongue. Then we'll have SL lawyers! (Although, maybe marriage counsellors would be a good thing...  )
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Colette Meiji
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Join date: 25 Mar 2005
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04-28-2007 21:44
From: Zaphod Kotobide If you think about it in terms of the real world equivalent of divorce law in a typical US state, you could begin to imagine why Linden Lab wouldn't want to touch it with a ten foot .. erm.. prim.
As it stands now, looks like your only hope is to attempt to reconcile as best as possible. Other than that, cut your losses and in the future, protect the investments you make in Second Life. I will most likely never partner with anyone in Second Life, but if I do, darned tootin I'm not going to relinquish my control or interest in assets I've contributed to the relationship.
The group roles have been vastly improved, but obviously there are still deficiencies which could use some further looking at. Until then, "you knew the job was dangerous when you took it, fred"
Sorry Rena :/ Yeah - In SL Divorce is basically No fault -with the person who grabs the land and items first gets to decide on how its divided (and may decide to keep it all) My advice to people is always keep your finances and assets seperate in SL no matter how perfect your partner seems to be.
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