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Naming Names

Zaphod Kotobide
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01-22-2007 12:18
Could somebody please show me in the forum guidelines, the community standards, or the terms of service, where it specifically disallows "naming names"? I have read it, all of it, and understand it all pretty well (as well as a non-attorney can, anyway). This "rule" does not exist in any way, shape or form. There are other things, such as disclosure of (real life)personal information not already disclosed by the resident in their profile, but that's a little more than "naming names".

So where is this rule written?
Dillon Morenz
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01-22-2007 12:37
From: Zaphod Kotobide
Could somebody please show me in the forum guidelines, the community standards, or the terms of service, where it specifically disallows "naming names"?
I quoted it in response to you in another thread. From the Forum Guidelines (<< clickable):

"Basic Forum Policies and Etiquette

Private discussions – the forums are a public area for the Second Life community’s use. Individuals who have a dispute with each other have other channels of communication to discuss their differences or communicate – private messaging, IM within Second Life, or chatting within Second Life. Also, threads that are addressed to a single individual or group are inappropriate on the forums, this includes slander or "naming names" in a posts title, starting polls about a particular resident or group, etc."


From: Zaphod Kotobide
I have read it, all of it, and understand it all pretty well (as well as a non-attorney can, anyway). This "rule" does not exist in any way, shape or form. There are other things, such as disclosure of (real life)personal information not already disclosed by the resident in their profile, but that's a little more than "naming names".
The guideline I quoted includes the exact term "naming names". Admittedly, it specifically says this should be avoided in a post title, but that is just a single example of behaviour not tolerated. ("This includes..." implies "but not limited to" in my eyes). I'm pretty sure people have been suspended from the forums for naming names in a post. Regardless, given that forum abuse made up most abuse reports on the blotter at one point, and naming names in post was a good way of getting a thread closed and put up for Linden review, it just seems wise to avoid naming anybody not present in the discussion. Some might even say, polite.
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Kitty Barnett
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01-22-2007 12:50
I always understood it as "don't say something negative about a specific resident or group".

So I'd think that:

"You could contact Some Resident and (s)he might be able to help, (s)he's good at that sort of thing"

is perfectly acceptable, whereas:

"Stay away from Some Resident, I've dealt with him/her in the past and (s)he's nothing but trouble."

would be unacceptable, whether it's true or simply flaming?
Dillon Morenz
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01-22-2007 12:59
Yeah, good point. Names are dropped all over the place, but I suppose the poster is unlikely to get ARd unless they're singling somebody out for negative comments. Erk. I don't know. :confused: These rules are vague...which is another reason I avoid naming names I guess. ;)
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Zaphod Kotobide
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01-22-2007 13:34
Thank you Dillon - how I missed that I don't know.. Anyway yeah, it just seems to me that people avoid it like the plague, even in situations where it would have no harmful effect, such as Kitty describes. They should really have another look at that section and clarify what the intent is. It is vague.
Travis Lambert
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01-22-2007 13:36
While you can't name names in the Linden-owned forums, you can (and it is encouraged) in most of the 3rd Party forums.

Two of the more active 3rd party forums are Second Citizen and SL Universe, and there are many others.
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Angelique LaFollette
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01-22-2007 19:43
From: someone
"Basic Forum Policies and Etiquette

Private discussions – the forums are a public area for the Second Life community’s use. Individuals who have a dispute with each other have other channels of communication to discuss their differences or communicate – private messaging, IM within Second Life, or chatting within Second Life. Also, threads that are addressed to a single individual or group are inappropriate on the forums, this includes slander or "naming names" in a posts title, starting polls about a particular resident or group, etc."


Ok, Possibly Just my Interpretation here, But the term "Naming Names" In conjunction with the word "Slander" in the whole of the sentence reminds me of a Threat like "I'll be Naming Names" ie; "I'm going to expose a scandal and all persons connected to it". "Naming Names" in the quote above strikes me as an expansion or extrapolation of the Term "Slander". and again it IS specificly aimed at Thread Titles, Not the text contained within, though i'm pretty sure that "Naming Names" in the Context of a Slander within the text WOULD be directly frowned upon while mentioning someones Name Within the Text as means of Nutral example, or in Praise of that Individual would not be worthy of LL's or a Mod's Attentions.
If i wish to Discuss in general terms something negative within SL, i am quite Capable of doing so without exposing the names of those Involved. If it's something that LL Needs to Pay attention to, then there are Proper Channels for that, and it shouldn't be in the threads in the first place. Someone Violating Your rights under TOS doesn't grant you Dispensation to Violate thiers in Return.

"Two Wrongs don't make a Right, but Three Lefts Do." :rolleyes:

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