What do you think about backgammon?
Is got dice so I'm not completely sure, but it definitely involves a reasonable level of skill.
Opinions please.
Also no moaning about the gambling ban.
Its gone, get over it.
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Rocketman Raymaker
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08-13-2007 02:08
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Beezle Warburton
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08-13-2007 02:16
What do you think about backgammon? Is got dice so I'm not completely sure, but it definitely involves a reasonable level of skill. Opinions please. Also no moaning about the gambling ban. Its gone, get over it. Once again, if it meets these three conditions, it's illegal: 1) Pay money to play 2) Random element (dice/bingo balls/random numbers/etc.) 3) Payout Backgammon with no money involved should be perfectly legal. |
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Rocketman Raymaker
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08-13-2007 02:20
Once again, if it meets these three conditions, it's illegal: 1) Pay money to play 2) Random element (dice/bingo balls/random numbers/etc.) 3) Payout Backgammon with no money involved should be perfectly legal. What about a private challenge between 2 players for $50L on a table that doesnt cost to play? the dam dice are definitely random but i still think it involves enough skill to not be classed as gambling. _____________________
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Beezle Warburton
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08-13-2007 02:55
What about a private challenge between 2 players for $50L on a table that doesnt cost to play? the dam dice are definitely random but i still think it involves enough skill to not be classed as gambling. Doesn't matter if skill is involved or not. Skill does not trump there being a random element involved. The same argument has been tried for poker. Poker involves a card shuffle -- random element, making it a violation. |
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Andy Grant
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08-13-2007 02:59
What about a private challenge between 2 players for $50L on a table that doesnt cost to play? the dam dice are definitely random but i still think it involves enough skill to not be classed as gambling. It is a skillgame, just like solitare is. Btw. What we need are those games at 1k-100k L$ a game, to get back the good old economy of sl. |
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Keiki Lemieux
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08-13-2007 03:05
I believe there is precedent in US law to classify Backgammon as a skill game, excluding it from many state gambling laws.
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Beezle Warburton
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08-13-2007 03:07
http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/09/anti-gambling-policy-update-faq/#more-1137
Does this policy apply to “skill contests”? This policy only applies to wagering games that involve an element of chance. Dice = involve an element of chance = BAD This includes, for instance, any game involving random number generation, simulated dice, Note the "simulated dice" clause. cards, poker, lotteries, bingo, or any other “chance” game. Games of pure intellectual or physical skill, such as puzzles or other skill contests, may not fall under this definition. The "Skill" won't save you, but what should make it okay is this "that doesnt cost to play?" I'm not trying to be some sort of "Nanny," nor am I bothering to turn people in to support the LL concept of a Resident-Policed Society. Just make sure you're all clear on how things stand. |
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Beezle Warburton
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08-13-2007 03:08
I believe there is precedent in US law to classify Backgammon as a skill game, excluding it from many state gambling laws. Yes, but is it excluded from the Federal Anti-Internet-Gambling laws? |
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Keiki Lemieux
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08-13-2007 03:13
Yes, but is it excluded from the Federal Anti-Internet-Gambling laws? Probably not. I don't know what LL should do or will do, just saying that it lies in a grey area of the law, at least in the US. _____________________
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Beezle Warburton
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08-13-2007 03:19
Probably not. I don't know what LL should do or will do, just saying that it lies in a grey area of the law, at least in the US. From the reading I've done, is the laws themselves are terribly vague. But, I don't think LL is likely to want to act in a way to get themselves caught on the wrong side of gray. So, it's probably best to not let LL catch you being gray either. Unless it's the slow-loading texture gray.  |
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Rocketman Raymaker
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08-13-2007 03:29
http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/09/anti-gambling-policy-update-faq/#more-1137 Dice = involve an element of chance = BAD Note the "simulated dice" clause. The "Skill" won't save you, but what should make it okay is this I'm not trying to be some sort of "Nanny," nor am I bothering to turn people in to support the LL concept of a Resident-Policed Society. Just make sure you're all clear on how things stand. No complaints from me. I just wanted as many differing opinions as possible. Thank you for all the replies everybody. I'm willing to play anyone interested for some lindens, so if your interested IM me or Itchy Gamba (my alt). However i am not a high roller yet so don't expect me to risk to many lindens. Also very interested in playing chess which involves no chance at all so we''ll definitely be safe to play for lindens. _____________________
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Imogen Saltair
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08-13-2007 03:34
Probably not. I don't know what LL should do or will do, just saying that it lies in a grey area of the law, at least in the US. In SL, Grey is the new Black  imogen _____________________
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Beezle Warburton
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08-13-2007 04:03
In SL, Grey is the new Black imogen I remember back in the day when Missing Image was all the rage. Kids these days with their gray. *sigh* |
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Warda Kawabata
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08-13-2007 04:35
In Uk law at least, the rule is that wagers games of "pure skill" are acceptable without a gambling licence. Backgammon wouldn't qualify. Unfortunately, LL didn't clean up this particular grey area.
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