No Tran AND No Copy possible for object sale?

Hello. I have tried to find this answer and have been unsuccessful. I would like to sell my art as No Copy AND No Transfer, and for the life of me I can't figure out how. When Copy is deslected for an object, TRANS / GIVE AWAY automatically activates and grays out.

I wouldn't think this was possible if I hadn't found this Knowledge Base article from a Linden that says objects can be NO TRANS & NO COPY.

http://secondlife.com/knowledgebase/article.php?id=173

Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks for your time!

-Dallas Prudhomme
The Sanctualary Art Gallery, Datana

I think that it's recently been made impossible to make something nocopy notrans. Someone correct me if I'm wrong here.

You are right, on one level, and wrong on another.

True, you cannot SET those permissions, but you can still make Second life synthesize them.

You're not supposed to be able to set an item no copy/no transfer. The two options are mutually exclusive for a reason: It's not fair to tell someone that they can't re-sell an item you sold them, unless you're giving them the privelage of making copies of it.


Why is it so important that you preven people from re-selling your art? Being able to resell an item is a fundamental right of ownership, and if you do manage to make your items no-copy AND no-transfer, you will almost certainly end up lowering the sale value of your items (I don't think I'd buy an item that I could neither copy or sell - it's just too easy to lose my only copy and be completely screwed).

It IS possible to force an item to be no copy/no transfer by placing an inventory item inside that is the complement of what you want: so if your item is no copy, then place a no-transfer item inside. Just make sure that both items are no-mod, so people can't pull the inventory items out.

However, rather than do that, I strongly encourage you to examine the reaosn you're trying to do this and decide whether it's really necessary.

If you want it to be a one of a kind art piece you should mark it no copy. Let whoever buys it resell it if they want. There will always be one of it out there unless you yourself release another copy.

If you want a specific person to have it (and no one else) sell it no Transfer. What difference does it make if this one person can have a zillion copies. They can only keep them for themselves. I guess theoretically they could cover thier casle with your single artwork, or put a copy in several properties they rent. That is the only drawback I can see.

I appreciate the comments and have taken them to heart. I offer very good customer service at my gallery, including reframing something if the client finds it doesn't work in their home as is. This requires the ability to transfer the item back to me. So I will probably continue doing business as I have been... with the ability to transfer it on. And hopefully have many happy, pleased customers!

Thanks again,
Dallas Prudhomme
The Sanctualary Art Gallery

It's possible for the person who owns the item to (temporarily) grant you modify rights to their posessions. Not sure if they extend to full edit range, but possibly it's one way to work around the transfer lock in situation you describe o.O;

If you put a script that is copy only inside an item that is resell only, you get no mod/no copy/no trans permissions. I'm trying to figure out if this is a bug or a feature.

The items permission inside of it carries over when rezed. If someone deleted the scripts inside, it would become transferable.

Ok, then make the script resell only and the item copy only. Then it is permantly no mod/no copy/no trans.

I thought this wasn't possible. Has it always been this way?

Simple: lock the item.

Either way, using that to get around the design of the system could be considered an exploit, and is against the TOS. The system is designed not to allow you to select no copy and no transfer at the same time. Using scripts to get around that is, in effect, an exploit.

You could post in Linden Answers and see if a Linden has an opinion.