saw strange lot thing, what is it?

I was looking at several lots earlier and witness something really odd. It was several 256m lots with prim count of over 200 prims. How can this be when the usual 512 lot has only 117 prms? None of the 20-256m lots were joined.

Were they on the main land, or where they on a private island? Private islands can adjust how many prims you get per area of land. On the main land there are a few special sims that have double prim counts for the plots. It is possible that you were looking at one of those.

If the lots were in the same sim and owned by the same person/group is it possible you were looking at the pooled prim count for all, not just the individual plots themselves?

It doesn't even have to be a pooled count for all the plots. It could very well have been 200 prims on each individual plot. As long as the owner of the plot(s) has more land elsewhere in the same sim, then any one little plot can draw from the prim allotment of the combined total, regardless of whether or not the plots are physically joined.

For example, if you've got a 512M^2 plot and a 1536 in the same sim, then you're allowed a total of 468 prims (because your total land ownership in that sim is 2048, or 1/32 of the sim, and 15,000/32 = 46. You could put all 468 on just one plot, or you could divide between the two any way you want.

I think we're all clear on that Chosen. I believe what FD means is, if you buy one plot, do you get 200 prims?

No you don't. You get 117 prims per 512sqm.

This was mainland the lots weren't joined they were 256m and had over 200 prims in each lot I checked on land edit settings.
The lot was like around 4k each but I couldn't buy I was just looking and doing some research.
I thought they were strange thats why I asked.
Perhaps it was one of those special mainland lots. Grr I wish I had the money to buy them all. Oh well. I wasn't sure if it was some type of deception to sell 256 m lots or what.
Thanks

Plots don't have to be joined to share prim counts, they just need to be on the same sim and owned by the same owner. There are 2 different prim counts in the About Land floater, one is the amount supported by just that one parcel, and that is what you will get if you buy the land.

The other is the amount of prims on the sim that this plot shares with other plots, which is what you were looking at. I can't remember the exact names for them off the top of my head and I'm not in world right now to check.

hmm so if I bought the 256 lot for 4k i would be only getting 58.5 prims seems sort of like rip off especially if you are new and didn't know prms can be shared by owner if not joined if you know how to set it up.
Seems sort of deceptive when I saw the lots wasn't sure what it was or if my eyes were lying.
Thanks for answering I guess it wasn't good deal. It might been worth it if it was special lot with 236 prims per 256 m lot.

It's a bit harsh to describe it as deceptive - it's not as if people are using it make people think a plot supports more prims than it does, it's just how parcels work in SL.

When you buy the land, the confirmation dialog tells you exactly how big it is and how many prims it supports, removing any confusion anyway. Obviously you won't have seen that if you weren't buying it, though.

On the mainland, all parcels support the same number of prims per sqm, there's no "double-prim" parcels like on islands.

If "we're all clear on that" how could any of us be unclear on whether the buying just 256M alone entitles you to 200 prims? I thought it was pretty obvious from my second paragraph (which you neglected to include in your quote) that you don't.

Since in order to put more than 117 prims on 512M (or in this specific case, more than 58 prims on 256M), you NEED more land elsewhere in the same sim so you can draw from the TOTAL prim allotment of both parcels, then "clearly", by the numbers, the owner of each of those 256M parcels must have at least 874M TOTAL in the sim for each set of 200 prims.

Isn't that what I said the first time? I thought it was. Guess I must not have spelled it out. Allow me to do so now by rewriting that second paragraph from above to use the exact numbers required for this specific question.




That more "clear"?

I'm guessing the problem might be that people are "dressing" pointless little 256m2 parcels for sale by squeezing 200 prims worth of cool stuff on them and then laughing at the inexperienced buyer who thinks either that they get the stuff, or that the plot actually supports it.

Thankyou chosen yes, clearer .. amazing what difference the application of food can do for a hobbit!

And thanks Stephen for the explanation of the two figures.

Sooo ... there are no special double prim plots on mainland? ... <runs away giggling>

That was why I asked about this to understand and help those who maybe new too and don't understand how lots and prim count works.
Usually when I look at land in about land I look at size of lot, who owns it, then prims.
This was first time I ever saw anything like this and I personally thought you have join lots to get higher prim count.
This may seem really obvious to someone who been around for a while but its not to those who are new.

I wasn't all that clear on it either...........heck, I'm still not all that confident that I know exactly how it works. LOL And I've been around for almost a year (Happy Birthday to me next month ). But since I'm not in the market for land I guess it doesn't matter much to me anyway.........but that could change, ya know.

But all this discussion leads me to a question. Suppose I do buy a small lot of 256 meters and it has that prim count of 200 can I actually put 200 prims on it? Is the seller going to allow me those 252 extra prims to use on my lot? Am I at his mercy? Do I have to trust him to "do the right thing"? Or do I simply have the 58 to use since the plot at that size will only really support that many? If I get the 200 and the owner can't take them away or they suddenly go away if the owner sells off some of his land.......it's a deal. It's NOT deception. But if it is something else then there needs to be some way to stating that BEFORE the land is sold. That WOULD be deception..........even if it is "just the way SL is". Any owner who sells land allowing that prim count is inaccurate is very much being decietful. A newbie would not likely know that in advance..............and like I said, I'm no newbie and I didn't know it.

The only double prim mainland sims are the Nova Albion city sims, which have double prims to encourage vertical city growth. The "extra" prims come from the increased amount of Linden land that must lie fallow. The sim supports the same total number of prims but the allotment is different because of the circumstances.

It was an experiment.

To my knowledge, the only way to create "extra" prim parcels is that it has to be done by the owner of the sim. I believe there are some mainland parcels like this because the Lindens set the sim up that way. Where I've seen it done on private islands, the owner has put in infrastructure such as roads or park space that require few prims and then given additional prims to the parcels. When you subdivide as an island owner you have the option of setting up an Object Multiplier; which allows a parcel to have double or more the normal prim allowance. There is still a cap of 15k prims total for the sim. Basically it is not possible for a 256 parcel to be allotted 200 prims unless it was on a private island sim or in the couple of OLD mainland sims where the Lindens did this.