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Now that we have 4 million total accounts...

Peekay Semyorka
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Join date: 18 Nov 2006
Posts: 337
02-25-2007 03:18
Does anyone have some concrete data on how the total account growth compares to the growth of concurrent users, users logged in the past 60 days, and the number of premium accounts?

Are the growth rates of these other metrics lagging, matching or exceeding the total account growth?

-peekay
Rock Vacirca
riches to rags
Join date: 18 Oct 2006
Posts: 1,093
02-25-2007 03:34
From: Peekay Semyorka
Does anyone have some concrete data on how the total account growth compares to the growth of concurrent users, users logged in the past 60 days, and the number of premium accounts?

Are the growth rates of these other metrics lagging, matching or exceeding the total account growth?

-peekay


I don't have this data, and my sl business keeps me too busy to do the calculations. But for anyone else who would like this data, and has the time, may I suggest one way to do this is to go to the Wayback Search Engine, take the snapshot of the sl home page that has these stats on, on the same day of the week over the last 52 weeks, and Excel will turn this table into the statistical info that is required.

Rock
Peekay Semyorka
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Join date: 18 Nov 2006
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02-25-2007 08:55
From some rough numbers I've been able to find:

The premium account growth is lagging the total account growth (by quite a bit.)

The concurrent user growth rate is keeping up with the total account growth rate.

-peekay
Raymond Figtree
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Join date: 17 May 2006
Posts: 6,256
02-25-2007 09:47
I wonder if they are going to devote resources to etching the 4 million milestone on the SL sun today. Might as well, since all the performance, load and lag issues have been resolved. ;)
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Curtis Conacher
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Join date: 11 Sep 2006
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02-25-2007 10:35
Any real growth rate figures wont be a truely accurate decription of what is happening anyway since I'd say a sizeable amount of the 3.5 million or so free accounts are unlimited alternate accounts of both paying users and free users.
Drekaina Bourjade
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Join date: 14 Oct 2006
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02-25-2007 12:52
I read in a blog or forum somewhere that the 4 million is sign-ups since the VERY beginning of SL, meaning any account that was ever made. So I would be willing to bet that there are actually much less than 1 million, or even 500,000, of those accounts that are actually still active.

Since a large percentage probably sign up and never use the account, I think that 4 million is a greatly exaggerated number. Lots of people sign up then find out their computers can't handle the load, or have so much trouble with orientation island they never get past it, or come to the mainland and immediately get greifed all to heck, so they never come back.

With the scuttlebutt that I've heard about orientation island lately, I probably wouldn't have stayed if I had signed up a month later than I did. I got lucky enough to sign up JUST before the big rush. I am so glad I did!
Cristalle Karami
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Join date: 4 Dec 2006
Posts: 6,222
02-25-2007 12:56
http://secondlife.reuters.com/stories/2007/02/09/europe-takes-lead-in-second-life-users/

From: Reuters
In a related blog post, Linden Lab Chief Financial Officer John Zdanowski aka Zee Linden addressed the much-disputed Second Life usage numbers. He said that unique users — consolidating multiple accounts held by a single user, and eliminating people who have registered but never signed in — totalled 1,974,607 in January, equal to 63 percent of the “total residents” figure that is displayed on secondlife.com.

“Approximately 10 percent of unique users have logged in for 40 hours or more. Committed usage at this stage of Second Life’s growth requires a great deal of effort,” he said. “Clearly not everyone is going to find relevance, and be able to build on a technology at this early stage.”
Meade Paravane
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Join date: 21 Nov 2006
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02-25-2007 12:58
From: Drekaina Bourjade
I read in a blog or forum somewhere that the 4 million is sign-ups since the VERY beginning of SL, meaning any account that was ever made. So I would be willing to bet that there are actually much less than 1 million, or even 500,000, of those accounts that are actually still active.

If by "active" you mean ones that have logged in in the last couple months, I would bet that the number is closer to 1,361,704. That does, of couse, include alts tho.
Desmond Shang
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Join date: 14 Mar 2005
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02-25-2007 13:27
Maybe there aren't four million accounts, but certainly there is a lot in terms of what the grid can handle now.

My mistake early on was assuming that we weren't going to get all that much bigger - I remember estimating an $L 20M volume on LindeX by the end of 2006, and (at that time) even other people thinking that was waaay over the top. Heh.

It's going to be very interesting to see an internationalised grid. This is circumstantial evidence, but I have met quite a few Germans and French in the past week or two - it does seem that continental Europe has really begun to discover us in a big way.
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Serenarra Trilling
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02-25-2007 16:32
Meade, here's a question for you on the "log in" numbers: does that mean "individuals who logged in", as in "the number of AVATARS logged in", or does that mean "the number of logins that occured".

If it means "the number of avatars, counted only once in that two months", I count as 2 of that number, since I have one alt.

If it means "number of logins that occured", I count as something like 300. That's giving a very conservative estimate, because I literally log in about 10-20 times most days, skipping very few.

Big difference.

If it counts each login, and each person logged in only once a day (I bet no one here, or at least very few, logged in that seldom, though I could be very wrong on that), that's under 23,000 accounts in 60 days.

How many times do you all log in every day?

Does anyone know which number is correct?
Snowflake Fairymeadow
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02-25-2007 16:46
From: Serenarra Trilling

How many times do you all log in every day?


It depends, usually it's closely proportional to the amount of times I crash that day.
Wilhelm Neumann
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Join date: 20 Apr 2006
Posts: 2,204
02-25-2007 17:46
last time i read an article linden labs was saying one person out of 5 accounts created actualy stays past the first login and then the ones that stay longer then that the average logged in time is quite low (10 hours per week = casual player) add to that the premium conversion ....
Usagi Musashi
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02-25-2007 18:06
From: Wilhelm Neumann
last time i read an article linden labs was saying one person out of 5 accounts created actualy stays past the first login and then the ones that stay longer then that the average logged in time is quite low (10 hours per week = casual player) add to that the premium conversion ....


I like to see this information! I wonder at times if they even keep status on useage like this. It seems to be on here say and no real facts........
Wilhelm Neumann
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02-25-2007 18:08
err was one of those news clips i got to it from the front page of the site .. if i find i will post it read it about a month ago wasnt to old either but it was a numbers statement from linde labs

here is one of them the rest are findable hehe not sure why others dont see this but anyhow here is one quote it was made in january

Rosedale concedes that perhaps 10 percent of the 2.7 million registered personalities are regular players, with many put off by Second Life's complexity. "We think it's getting better," Rosedale says. "That's what seems important

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/biztech/articles/070121/29eespotlight_2.htm

the 1 in 5 etc is around in the mess or artilce links as well along with the fact that anshe chung did not in fact start out as an escort but as one of the first content providers to provide animations hehe

maybe i read to much but there is a lot of speculation floating around and the information is easy to find :)

eg: the getalife.com website i saw that 2 months ago someone just posted it like a week ago it was on the front page of secondlife for quite some time as a link :)
Usagi Musashi
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02-25-2007 18:13
From: Wilhelm Neumann
err was one of those news clips i got to it from the front page of the site .. if i find i will post it read it about a month ago wasnt to old either but it was a numbers statement from linde labs


oh those stats..... :p still i wonder how correct those are. Since they really don`t give you any hard facts.
Wilhelm Neumann
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02-25-2007 18:21
From: Usagi Musashi
oh those stats..... :p still i wonder how correct those are. Since they really don`t give you any hard facts.


eh those are the only facts out there and i dont see any "corrections" by the people that spit em out so .. i can only do what others do read and look at any information I can find but we all know that there aren't like 4 million unique and active users if there were there would be a muc higher umm "concurrency" or one would think..
Usagi Musashi
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02-25-2007 18:32
From: Wilhelm Neumann
I can find but we all know that there aren't like 4 million unique and active users if there were there would be a muc higher umm "concurrency" or one would think..


Always remeber this......thisis a VR life. nothing really exist nor do we own....makes you think whats the sence of being here if that is the case.
Sindy Tsure
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Join date: 18 Sep 2006
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02-25-2007 19:45
From: Serenarra Trilling
Meade, here's a question for you on the "log in" numbers: does that mean "individuals who logged in", as in "the number of AVATARS logged in", or does that mean "the number of logins that occured".

It's the number of avatars who have spent time in-world, Serenarra. Like Meade said, this includes alt accounts.
Jami Sin
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Join date: 3 Sep 2006
Posts: 109
02-26-2007 20:43
I don't usually do these, but it took me 2 hours to find an empty camp chair the other day. Where as I've always seem them half empty when I first started some months ago.

Seem more alts playing rather then new players?

Most campers were unregistered that i've seen recently...hmm.
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