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bladyblue Bommerang

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04-26-2007 13:55

http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/news/2007/04/vonage_appeal

Will the outcome of this case have any effect on the Voice Feature coming to Second Life? It has been postponed a few times. Perhaps this is part of the reason.

From: someone

The case is being closely watched by the internet telephony industry, as opponent Verizon's patents might also affect other voice-over internet protocol, or VOIP, providers' ability to connect their services to the public telephone network. Tuesday's temporary reprieve means the window for dozens of other VOIP carriers remains open, for the time being, while Vonage attempts to disprove Verizon's wide-ranging patent claims.

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Jacques Groshomme

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04-26-2007 13:59

What could this possibly have to do with Second Life?

The issue isn't use of VOIP systems when going computer-to-computer, it's the method in which Vonage is connecting from VOIP to the POTS (Plain Ol' Telephone Service) grid.

Maximillian Desoto

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04-26-2007 14:07

No. The issue in the lawsuit arises when people wish to make phone calls from an internet phone to a normal land-line. The Regional Bell Operating Companies are complaining that Vonage is not paying their fair share of the costs to operate the telephone network. I disagree with the Wired article, I do not believe it will have that much effect on purely peer-to-peer calls, like Skype, Teamspeak etc... in that situation, I am the one paying for the infrastructure, and the call never leaves the `net.

Not that I am looking forward to voice chat...

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Susanne Pascale

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04-26-2007 14:28

I haven't reviewed the actual pleadings or the briefs filed inthe appellate court, so I am shooting from the hip here. Based on what the article said, I agree with the previous posters. I don't believe it will have any effect on voice chat in SL.

Kitty Barnett

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04-26-2007 14:50

I can't find the link to it right now (it was a podcast somewhere I think), but one of Philip's plans was/is to tie SL voice to the regular telepohone system, so it might affect that plan of theirs.

bladyblue Bommerang

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04-26-2007 19:03

From: Kitty Barnett

I can't find the link to it right now (it was a podcast somewhere I think), but one of Philip's plans was/is to tie SL voice to the regular telepohone system, so it might affect that plan of theirs.

Yes I recall that also. I was sure SL was not going to pass up it's international status and not make money from this voice feature. This may have them waiting to see what the outcome is before rolling out voice. I thought we were going to have those capabilities by now. Does anyone have a link to the real release date?

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Kitty Barnett

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04-26-2007 23:35

From: bladyblue Bommerang

Does anyone have a link to the real release date?

http://news.com.com/2100-1043_3-6178864.html (April 24th):

From: someone

Rosedale said during a keynote speech at Gartner Symposium ITxpo here that he hopes to see voice officially launched in Second Life within the next several months.

The buzz on the beta grid was a voice-enabled First Look release for the main grid in three weeks, and then fully integrated a few months later, so that seems to fit.

Upcoming in the line of features we're all just dieing to have:

From: someone

Other plans in the works for Second Life include adding the ability to scan users' photos onto their avatars and bringing more realism into the virtual world through detail-oriented design, such as the way a butterfly flitters across a computer screen, Rosedale said.

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04-27-2007 03:43

It would seem strange that the 'telephone infrastructure providers' are trying to claim yet another layer of costs, when in reality using a connection other than dialup, is an always on connection which you pay a subscription for. It doesnt matter how you use that connection, telephone, internet etc.. its already paid for. Whats even more bizzar in that it is a Telephone Provider in the United States making this claim, when the internet delivers the signal to the local exchange, before conversion, when local calls are free anyway!
How many times do these corporates what us to pay for the same thing???

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I think the case is about Patent Violation...

04-27-2007 08:55

...and of course, the SL IP police should be in full support of AT&T who are claiming that their rights have been violated.

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bladyblue Bommerang Premium Account Join date: 7 Feb 2005 Posts: 646	04-26-2007 13:55 http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/news/2007/04/vonage_appeal Will the outcome of this case have any effect on the Voice Feature coming to Second Life? It has been postponed a few times. Perhaps this is part of the reason. From: someone The case is being closely watched by the internet telephony industry, as opponent Verizon's patents might also affect other voice-over internet protocol, or VOIP, providers' ability to connect their services to the public telephone network. Tuesday's temporary reprieve means the window for dozens of other VOIP carriers remains open, for the time being, while Vonage attempts to disprove Verizon's wide-ranging patent claims. _____________________
Jacques Groshomme Registered User Join date: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 355	04-26-2007 13:59 What could this possibly have to do with Second Life? The issue isn't use of VOIP systems when going computer-to-computer, it's the method in which Vonage is connecting from VOIP to the POTS (Plain Ol' Telephone Service) grid.
Maximillian Desoto Max's Landfall Bar & Dock Join date: 26 Apr 2006 Posts: 323	04-26-2007 14:07 No. The issue in the lawsuit arises when people wish to make phone calls from an internet phone to a normal land-line. The Regional Bell Operating Companies are complaining that Vonage is not paying their fair share of the costs to operate the telephone network. I disagree with the Wired article, I do not believe it will have that much effect on purely peer-to-peer calls, like Skype, Teamspeak etc... in that situation, I am the one paying for the infrastructure, and the call never leaves the `net. Not that I am looking forward to voice chat... Max
Susanne Pascale Registered User Join date: 14 Feb 2007 Posts: 371	04-26-2007 14:28 I haven't reviewed the actual pleadings or the briefs filed inthe appellate court, so I am shooting from the hip here. Based on what the article said, I agree with the previous posters. I don't believe it will have any effect on voice chat in SL.
Kitty Barnett Registered User Join date: 10 May 2006 Posts: 5,586	04-26-2007 14:50 I can't find the link to it right now (it was a podcast somewhere I think), but one of Philip's plans was/is to tie SL voice to the regular telepohone system, so it might affect that plan of theirs.
bladyblue Bommerang Premium Account Join date: 7 Feb 2005 Posts: 646	04-26-2007 19:03 From: Kitty Barnett I can't find the link to it right now (it was a podcast somewhere I think), but one of Philip's plans was/is to tie SL voice to the regular telepohone system, so it might affect that plan of theirs. Yes I recall that also. I was sure SL was not going to pass up it's international status and not make money from this voice feature. This may have them waiting to see what the outcome is before rolling out voice. I thought we were going to have those capabilities by now. Does anyone have a link to the real release date? _____________________
Kitty Barnett Registered User Join date: 10 May 2006 Posts: 5,586	04-26-2007 23:35 From: bladyblue Bommerang Does anyone have a link to the real release date? http://news.com.com/2100-1043_3-6178864.html (April 24th): From: someone Rosedale said during a keynote speech at Gartner Symposium ITxpo here that he hopes to see voice officially launched in Second Life within the next several months. The buzz on the beta grid was a voice-enabled First Look release for the main grid in three weeks, and then fully integrated a few months later, so that seems to fit. Upcoming in the line of features we're all just dieing to have: From: someone Other plans in the works for Second Life include adding the ability to scan users' photos onto their avatars and bringing more realism into the virtual world through detail-oriented design, such as the way a butterfly flitters across a computer screen, Rosedale said.
AWM Mars Scarey Dude :¬) Join date: 10 Apr 2004 Posts: 3,398	04-27-2007 03:43 It would seem strange that the 'telephone infrastructure providers' are trying to claim yet another layer of costs, when in reality using a connection other than dialup, is an always on connection which you pay a subscription for. It doesnt matter how you use that connection, telephone, internet etc.. its already paid for. Whats even more bizzar in that it is a Telephone Provider in the United States making this claim, when the internet delivers the signal to the local exchange, before conversion, when local calls are free anyway! How many times do these corporates what us to pay for the same thing??? _____________________ * Politeness is priceless when received, cost nothing to own or give, yet many cannot afford - Why do you only see typo's AFTER you have clicked submit? http://www.wba-advertising.com http://www.nex-core-mm.com http://www.eml-entertainments.com http://www.v-innovate.com
Lee Ponzu What Would Steve Do? Join date: 28 Jun 2006 Posts: 1,770	I think the case is about Patent Violation... 04-27-2007 08:55 ...and of course, the SL IP police should be in full support of AT&T who are claiming that their rights have been violated.

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