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Pratyeka Muromachi

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10-09-2006 06:08

Send the only message that LL will acknowledge: tier down, abandon your land to the Lindens, and convert to a basic account.

LL doesn't listen to their paying customers, not even those of us who have been here a long time. LL's only goal is the get to 1 million subscribers, with complete disregard of the consequences.

When a business sells a defective product, they either have to fix it or loose all their customers. Not enough customers here are dropping SL, maybe they think it will get better, maybe they are unwilling to abandon what they paid for. WAKE UP! you already have lost what you paid for! You paid to enjoy what SL has to offer. When is the last time you really enjoyed that?

I stopped enjoying SL when v1.7 was introduced. SL has gone downhill since then.

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Fade Languish

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10-09-2006 06:11

I don't want to tier down. I haven't lost what I pay for, which is the ability to have fun building things. The last time I enjoyed that was about 15 hours ago. There's just some hiccups now and again.

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Ordinal Malaprop

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10-09-2006 06:18

From: Pratyeka Muromachi

Send the only message that LL will acknowledge: tier down, abandon your land to the Lindens, and convert to a basic account.

No.

From: Pratyeka Muromachi

LL doesn't listen to their paying customers, not even those of us who have been here a long time. LL's only goal is the get to 1 million subscribers, with complete disregard of the consequences.

And presumably they think that when they get to a million subscribers they move to the next stage of human evolution, or the mothership will come to take them home. Alternatively you could just be making this up.

From: Pratyeka Muromachi

When a business sells a defective product, they either have to fix it or loose all their customers. Not enough customers here are dropping SL, maybe they think it will get better, maybe they are unwilling to abandon what they paid for. WAKE UP! you already have lost what you paid for! You paid to enjoy what SL has to offer. When is the last time you really enjoyed that?

Quite recently actually.

From: Pratyeka Muromachi

I stopped enjoying SL when v1.7 was introduced. SL has gone downhill since then.

Bye then. Hold on, before you go, though, why have you stayed since 1.7 if you weren't enjoying it? Do you have just too much fun in your First Life so need to do something to make yourself miserable occasionally? Were you cursed by a wizard to roam Second Life for the rest of your days, as a punishment for disrespecting his hedgehog?

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Fade Languish

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10-09-2006 06:20

From: Ordinal Malaprop

Were you cursed by a wizard to roam Second Life for the rest of your days, as a punishment for disrespecting his hedgehog?

Hedgehogs should be respected. It said so once in the police blotter.

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Jabath Steuart

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10-09-2006 06:24

From: Fade Languish

I don't want to tier down. I haven't lost what I pay for, which is the ability to have fun building things. The last time I enjoyed that was about 15 hours ago. There's just some hiccups now and again.

you fail to appreciate that these 'hiccups' will get worse and worse until the game dies. obvioulsy this exodus will never happen, but Pratyeka is right, LL need to get the message that they're destroying their own business.

Fade Languish

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10-09-2006 06:24

It just struck me... so if everyone tiers down and leaves... and LL gets the message, and makes everything mo' better...

We wouldn't be here to enjoy it anyway.

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Fade Languish

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10-09-2006 06:31

From: Jabath Steuart

you fail to appreciate that these 'hiccups' will get worse and worse until the game dies. obvioulsy this exodus will never happen, but Pratyeka is right, LL need to get the message that they're destroying their own business.

How will they get "worse and worse"? Where does the exponential factor come from? In a year, I see no evidence of such deterioration, only more of the same.

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Jabath Steuart

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10-09-2006 06:33

yeah, but you could come back once LL have learned their lesson. and start over from scratch. unfortunatley all the abandoned land would've been bought for a song by others who didn't care or didn't know, and LL would never have changed their policy.

a general strike is a far better idea. landowners deny access, there's nothing for anyone to do in SL except walk around with placards shouting "WHAT DO WE WANT? FULL VERIFICATION! WHEN DO WE WANT IT? TWO MONTHS AGO!"

Desari Deledda

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10-09-2006 06:36

It won't be a planned exodus. People will fall off, the defections will be on a personal level, first one, then two, a couple here and there, a group. Natural progression.

We've lost Starax, he left without a whimper. What next great citizen will we find has left?

April Firefly

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10-09-2006 06:37

I think you're wrong. They do listen. But maybe they don't change the policy to your liking. What you do understand is that what you want isn't what someone else wants. If they changed it for you then someone else would complain. Inciting people to leave LL is not the solution.

From: Pratyeka Muromachi

Send the only message that LL will acknowledge: tier down, abandon your land to the Lindens, and convert to a basic account.

LL doesn't listen to their paying customers, not even those of us who have been here a long time. LL's only goal is the get to 1 million subscribers, with complete disregard of the consequences.

When a business sells a defective product, they either have to fix it or loose all their customers. Not enough customers here are dropping SL, maybe they think it will get better, maybe they are unwilling to abandon what they paid for. WAKE UP! you already have lost what you paid for! You paid to enjoy what SL has to offer. When is the last time you really enjoyed that?

I stopped enjoying SL when v1.7 was introduced. SL has gone downhill since then.

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The most successful software company in the world does a piss-poor job on all these points. Particularly the first three. Why do you expect Linden Labs to do any better?

Yes, it's true, I have a blog now!

John Horner

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10-09-2006 07:04

http://www.bitsofnews.com/content/view/4132/44/

Read the above, have a speculative ponder on the fact that under the TOS Linden gives us ownership of intellectual property here, and don't cut off your own nose to spite your faces

(English saying)

And for those of you who can script (I know sod all about scripting or programing) try to help Linden solve their problems.

It might be in your interests...

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John

Nightspy Rebus

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10-09-2006 07:09

scripting doesn't let you help a thing , linden are rather hostile towards able scripters , too panicked of the recent attacks , they take action against those messing with "dangrous scripts"

Jabath Steuart

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10-09-2006 10:27

From: Fade Languish

How will they get "worse and worse"? Where does the exponential factor come from? In a year, I see no evidence of such deterioration, only more of the same.

http://faculty.uca.edu/~benw/biol1400/pictures/exponential.gif

that is a picture of an exponential graph. notice it's quite gentle at the bottom. when you're on the bottom of the curve, it's hard to see that there's going to be a sharp upturn, things just don't look too bad.

i'm afraid i can't provide you with statistics to back this up, but i'd certainly wager you $100 that i'm right.

Mass exodus of paying accounts is the only way LL will change it's policy
Pratyeka Muromachi Meditating Avatar Join date: 14 Apr 2005 Posts: 642	10-09-2006 06:08 Send the only message that LL will acknowledge: tier down, abandon your land to the Lindens, and convert to a basic account. LL doesn't listen to their paying customers, not even those of us who have been here a long time. LL's only goal is the get to 1 million subscribers, with complete disregard of the consequences. When a business sells a defective product, they either have to fix it or loose all their customers. Not enough customers here are dropping SL, maybe they think it will get better, maybe they are unwilling to abandon what they paid for. WAKE UP! you already have lost what you paid for! You paid to enjoy what SL has to offer. When is the last time you really enjoyed that? I stopped enjoying SL when v1.7 was introduced. SL has gone downhill since then. _____________________ gone to Openlife Grid and OpenSim standalone, your very own sim on your PC, 45,000 prims, huge prims at will up to 100m, yes, run your own grid on your PC, FOR FREE!
Fade Languish I just build stuff... Join date: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 1,760	10-09-2006 06:11 I don't want to tier down. I haven't lost what I pay for, which is the ability to have fun building things. The last time I enjoyed that was about 15 hours ago. There's just some hiccups now and again. _____________________
Ordinal Malaprop really very ordinary Join date: 9 Sep 2005 Posts: 4,607	10-09-2006 06:18 From: Pratyeka Muromachi Send the only message that LL will acknowledge: tier down, abandon your land to the Lindens, and convert to a basic account. No. From: Pratyeka Muromachi LL doesn't listen to their paying customers, not even those of us who have been here a long time. LL's only goal is the get to 1 million subscribers, with complete disregard of the consequences. And presumably they think that when they get to a million subscribers they move to the next stage of human evolution, or the mothership will come to take them home. Alternatively you could just be making this up. From: Pratyeka Muromachi When a business sells a defective product, they either have to fix it or loose all their customers. Not enough customers here are dropping SL, maybe they think it will get better, maybe they are unwilling to abandon what they paid for. WAKE UP! you already have lost what you paid for! You paid to enjoy what SL has to offer. When is the last time you really enjoyed that? Quite recently actually. From: Pratyeka Muromachi I stopped enjoying SL when v1.7 was introduced. SL has gone downhill since then. Bye then. Hold on, before you go, though, why have you stayed since 1.7 if you weren't enjoying it? Do you have just too much fun in your First Life so need to do something to make yourself miserable occasionally? Were you cursed by a wizard to roam Second Life for the rest of your days, as a punishment for disrespecting his hedgehog? _____________________ http://ordinalmalaprop.com/forum/ - visit Ordinal's Scripting Colloquium for scripting discussion with actual working BBCode! http://ordinalmalaprop.com/engine/ - An Engine Fit For My Proceeding, my Aethernet Journal http://www.flickr.com/groups/slgriefbuild/ - Second Life Griefbuild Digest, pictures of horrible ad griefing and land spam, and the naming of names
Fade Languish I just build stuff... Join date: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 1,760	10-09-2006 06:20 From: Ordinal Malaprop Were you cursed by a wizard to roam Second Life for the rest of your days, as a punishment for disrespecting his hedgehog? Hedgehogs should be respected. It said so once in the police blotter. _____________________
Jabath Steuart Registered User Join date: 4 Sep 2006 Posts: 17	10-09-2006 06:24 From: Fade Languish I don't want to tier down. I haven't lost what I pay for, which is the ability to have fun building things. The last time I enjoyed that was about 15 hours ago. There's just some hiccups now and again. you fail to appreciate that these 'hiccups' will get worse and worse until the game dies. obvioulsy this exodus will never happen, but Pratyeka is right, LL need to get the message that they're destroying their own business.
Fade Languish I just build stuff... Join date: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 1,760	10-09-2006 06:24 It just struck me... so if everyone tiers down and leaves... and LL gets the message, and makes everything mo' better... We wouldn't be here to enjoy it anyway. _____________________
Fade Languish I just build stuff... Join date: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 1,760	10-09-2006 06:31 From: Jabath Steuart you fail to appreciate that these 'hiccups' will get worse and worse until the game dies. obvioulsy this exodus will never happen, but Pratyeka is right, LL need to get the message that they're destroying their own business. How will they get "worse and worse"? Where does the exponential factor come from? In a year, I see no evidence of such deterioration, only more of the same. _____________________
Jabath Steuart Registered User Join date: 4 Sep 2006 Posts: 17	10-09-2006 06:33 yeah, but you could come back once LL have learned their lesson. and start over from scratch. unfortunatley all the abandoned land would've been bought for a song by others who didn't care or didn't know, and LL would never have changed their policy. a general strike is a far better idea. landowners deny access, there's nothing for anyone to do in SL except walk around with placards shouting "WHAT DO WE WANT? FULL VERIFICATION! WHEN DO WE WANT IT? TWO MONTHS AGO!"
Desari Deledda Registered User Join date: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 93	10-09-2006 06:36 It won't be a planned exodus. People will fall off, the defections will be on a personal level, first one, then two, a couple here and there, a group. Natural progression. We've lost Starax, he left without a whimper. What next great citizen will we find has left?
April Firefly Idiosyncratic Poster Join date: 3 Aug 2004 Posts: 1,253	10-09-2006 06:37 I think you're wrong. They do listen. But maybe they don't change the policy to your liking. What you do understand is that what you want isn't what someone else wants. If they changed it for you then someone else would complain. Inciting people to leave LL is not the solution. From: Pratyeka Muromachi Send the only message that LL will acknowledge: tier down, abandon your land to the Lindens, and convert to a basic account. LL doesn't listen to their paying customers, not even those of us who have been here a long time. LL's only goal is the get to 1 million subscribers, with complete disregard of the consequences. When a business sells a defective product, they either have to fix it or loose all their customers. Not enough customers here are dropping SL, maybe they think it will get better, maybe they are unwilling to abandon what they paid for. WAKE UP! you already have lost what you paid for! You paid to enjoy what SL has to offer. When is the last time you really enjoyed that? I stopped enjoying SL when v1.7 was introduced. SL has gone downhill since then. _____________________ From: Billybob Goodliffe the truth is overrated From: Argent Stonecutter The most successful software company in the world does a piss-poor job on all these points. Particularly the first three. Why do you expect Linden Labs to do any better? Yes, it's true, I have a blog now!
John Horner Registered User Join date: 27 Jun 2006 Posts: 626	10-09-2006 07:04 http://www.bitsofnews.com/content/view/4132/44/ Read the above, have a speculative ponder on the fact that under the TOS Linden gives us ownership of intellectual property here, and don't cut off your own nose to spite your faces (English saying) And for those of you who can script (I know sod all about scripting or programing) try to help Linden solve their problems. It might be in your interests... Regards John
Nightspy Rebus Scripter Bum Join date: 17 Jun 2004 Posts: 45	10-09-2006 07:09 scripting doesn't let you help a thing , linden are rather hostile towards able scripters , too panicked of the recent attacks , they take action against those messing with "dangrous scripts"
Jabath Steuart Registered User Join date: 4 Sep 2006 Posts: 17	10-09-2006 10:27 From: Fade Languish How will they get "worse and worse"? Where does the exponential factor come from? In a year, I see no evidence of such deterioration, only more of the same. http://faculty.uca.edu/~benw/biol1400/pictures/exponential.gif that is a picture of an exponential graph. notice it's quite gentle at the bottom. when you're on the bottom of the curve, it's hard to see that there's going to be a sharp upturn, things just don't look too bad. i'm afraid i can't provide you with statistics to back this up, but i'd certainly wager you $100 that i'm right.

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