Betraying your anonymity - when and why ?
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Atum Otis
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05-14-2007 04:14
What will/should LL do when they receive a request from the Saudi Arabian prosecuting authorities for the RL name and address of someone they suspect is breaking their law from their territory by having cybersex, thus "depicting and promoting adulterous activity" ?
for "Saudi Arabia" read any one of many jurisdictions.
for "adultery" read any one of numerous behaviours allowable in the west but heavily punishable elsewhere.
Bestiality ? Homosexuality ? Not wearing a veil ? Immodest dress ?
What should LL do ? It will happen.
Some suggestion it may have happened already.
Remember, less than half of residents are from the US.
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Denise Bonetto
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05-14-2007 04:23
I very much doubt it will happen, I would think SL is already banned from Saudi Arabia as they do put countrywide bans on 'unsuitable' web sites.
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Alazarin Mondrian
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05-14-2007 04:25
In Sudan, they'll arrange a wedding in cases of bestiality. Sadly she died a few months laters after choking on a plastic bag. So you never know....
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Aleister Montgomery
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05-14-2007 04:36
Even when LL only considers laws that are basically identical with US laws, I find Robin's statement "we will fully cooperate with all appropriate authorities" quite frigthening.
Some of the products I sell are bestiality toys (animated prim horses, currently developing a dog). Bestiality porn is illegal in both my homecountry and the USA. It never occured to me though that my products could be considered requisites for a porn movie. They're only 3D graphics in a cartoon-like quality, after all.
But if nowadays rendered, cartoon-like graphics are considered child porn as soon as a somehow child-like low-polygon figure is depicted, then human-like figures involved in sexual play with prim horses could be considered bestiality porn. And since I'll be forced to verify my identity (because I clearly need to flag my land and have to verify myself in order to access my own shop), I'll always have to fear that my name and address ends up in both German and US police computers.
Of course, no one would possibly mind the killing of virtual animals or even humans. I remember a quest in Everquest 1 where dark elves had to kill a pregnant halfling (hobbit) woman (both child-like in appearance and carrying a child). That's totally ok, no one would ever complain.
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Broccoli Curry
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05-14-2007 04:39
From: Aleister Montgomery Some of the products I sell are bestiality toys (animated prim horses, currently developing a dog). One question. "Why???" Broccoli
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Aleister Montgomery
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05-14-2007 04:46
From: Broccoli Curry One question.
"Why???"
Broccoli Because girls love horses 
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Morwen Bunin
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05-14-2007 04:48
From: Aleister Montgomery Because girls love horses  *coughs* I love my (RL) horses... but I would never consider anything sexual with them!!! Edit: Just my reaction on the made comment, no judgement! Morwen.
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Nepenthes Ixchel
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05-14-2007 05:13
From: Broccoli Curry One question.
"Why???"
Broccoli It's a fetish, and people can practice it safely on SL to help explore themselves without the problems and risks of doing it in RL. Just like crossdressing, BDSM and ageplay.
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Aleister Montgomery
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05-14-2007 05:16
Exactly 
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Gillian Vuckovic
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05-14-2007 05:18
Because some horses are just kinky and find humans attractive 
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Wren Murasaki
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05-14-2007 05:18
autoerotic asphyxiation? *runs and hides*
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Annabelle Vandeverre
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05-14-2007 05:21
From: Aleister Montgomery Even when LL only considers laws that are basically identical with US laws, I find Robin's statement "we will fully cooperate with all appropriate authorities" quite frigthening.
Some of the products I sell are bestiality toys (animated prim horses, currently developing a dog). Bestiality porn is illegal in both my homecountry and the USA. ....
Of course, no one would possibly mind the killing of virtual animals or even humans.... Animal cruelty is a felony in some U.S. states. It's just a matter of time until the animal rights activists get a foothold in SL and start getting loud about it and exposing bestiality in SL in the media. I would be worried too if I were you.
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bilbo99 Emu
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05-14-2007 05:22
From: Aleister Montgomery I remember a quest in Everquest 1 where dark elves had to kill a pregnant halfling (hobbit) woman (both child-like in appearance and carrying a child). That's totally ok, no one would ever complain. WWWWWWTTTTTTFFFFFF????? <makes mental note: ban Aleister Montgomery from Bagg End>
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Colette Meiji
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05-14-2007 05:27
From: Atum Otis What will/should LL do when they receive a request from the Saudi Arabian prosecuting authorities for the RL name and address of someone they suspect is breaking their law from their territory by having cybersex, thus "depicting and promoting adulterous activity" ?
for "Saudi Arabia" read any one of many jurisdictions.
for "adultery" read any one of numerous behaviours allowable in the west but heavily punishable elsewhere.
Bestiality ? Homosexuality ? Not wearing a veil ? Immodest dress ?
What should LL do ? It will happen.
Some suggestion it may have happened already.
Remember, less than half of residents are from the US. simple - If LL starts supplying people's names over to other countries for prosecution. US Players will start to leave. If people are damaged by it (beyond the in game stuff)- lawsuits will follow. I assume LL will only provide information to the countries where the offending parties live - and the US authorities. Since they basically have to do that.
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Kamael Xevious
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05-14-2007 05:29
Let's not forget that the headquarters of Linden Lab is in San Francisco. I can't imagine that the Tao of Linden would allow them to report someone for homosexuality to any authority worldwide, much less the local repercussions for them if they did. That said, if they want to report me to the Saudi authorities for being gay, let them. I have no plans to ever visit Saudi Arabia, I own no property in Saudi Arabia, the US won't extradite me there for being gay, and there are no laws under which I can be punished in the US for being gay since the Supreme Court struck down those laws.
Where the problem would arise for Linden Lab would be if a Saudi Arabian citizen were targetted by their own government. Then Linden Lab would have to make one hell of a decision that I'm sure they hope they'll never have to make. Of course, as has been pointed out, this is unlikely as Second Life is probably banned on the Saudi network, as it is in many countries, as an unacceptable "website." (Can't have the masses getting any modern notions about freedom, now can we?) At any rate, in such a case it would be interesting to see how things played out.
Of course, in either case, assuming LL did turn the name over to authorities, it'd be interesting to see how quickly the GLBT community in and out of SL raised enough funds to file an Abuse of Human Rights complaint against Linden Lab in the World Court.
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Brenda Connolly
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05-14-2007 05:33
I think my Dad may have been into bestiality. I remember him coming home a lot of times saying how such and such a horse screwed him.
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Aleister Montgomery
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05-14-2007 05:37
From: bilbo99 Emu WWWWWWTTTTTTFFFFFF?????
<makes mental note: ban Aleister Montgomery from Bagg End> SOE (Sony Online Entertainment) is to blame for that. Or Verant Interactive, who originally developed EQ1. I gave up my dark elf shadowknight when I got to this quest and decided to settle for a dwarven warrior called Tankard Thunderbelch (I also played a halfling thief named Gumbo Gabble). Anyway, it shows that extreme violence in MMORPGs is considered to be a perfectly normal "kink". And without any influence on the player's RL behaviour; which happens to be true, also regarding virtual sex.
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AWM Mars
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05-14-2007 05:38
Can't even begin to imagine what the Mother-In-Law looks like!!! Still if they had children, would be np to get a nanny...
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Annabelle Vandeverre
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05-14-2007 05:44
From: Aleister Montgomery SOE (Sony Online Entertainment) is to blame for that. Or Verant Interactive, who originally developed EQ1. Sony is the company that used the freshly slaughtered goat in their promotional party for one of their new games: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=451414&in_page_id=1770&ct=5F'kin nasty.
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bilbo99 Emu
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05-14-2007 05:47
From: Aleister Montgomery SOE (Sony Online Entertainment) is to blame for that. Or Verant Interactive, who originally developed EQ1. I gave up my dark elf shadowknight when I got to this quest and decided to settle for a dwarven warrior called Tankard Thunderbelch (I also played a halfling thief named Gumbo Gabble). Anyway, it shows that extreme violence in MMORPGs is considered to be a perfectly normal "kink". And without any influence on the player's RL behaviour; which happens to be true, also regarding virtual sex. Tankard Thunderbelch? ... LMAO. lovely  As for Sony, I think pinching the abbreviation of the Special Operations Executive is a bit OTT! What do you mean they don't exist any more? Oh don't they indeed? 
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Aleister Montgomery
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05-14-2007 05:50
From: AWM Mars Still if they had children, would be np to get a nanny... It seems they did have children: http://english.people.com.cn/200703/26/eng20070326_361049.html
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Morwen Bunin
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05-14-2007 05:51
From: bilbo99 Emu Tankard Thunderbelch? ... LMAO. lovely  As for Sony, I think pinching the abbreviation of the Special Operations Executive is a bit OTT! What do you mean they don't exist any more? Oh don't they indeed?  Ha... Everquest II is so much more civilezed as Everquest I (*hides her questbook carefully*) Morwen.
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Strife Onizuka
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05-14-2007 06:08
This forum isn't for general discussion; there are many Resident Sites where this discussion is appropriate — Resident Answers is for Resident-to-Resident help.  I'll close this thread... Forum GuidelinesFlaming, Spamming, Trolling – Flaming (posting a message that is intended to incite anger or directly attack a person or persons), Spamming (multiple posts of the same topic or discussion), and Trolling (a post with an intentionally contrary opinion written with the intent of inciting or getting argumentative opinions) are strongly discouraged. If you think your post might be over-reactive, or that it might fall into one of these definitions, please reconsider posting.
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