How many "anti copybot" people have pirated Mp3s?

How many "Anti copybot" people have pirated mp3's on your harddrive, or on cd. listened to. Ripped, burned, played. danced to. or the likewise.

Ill be the first to raise my hand.

Hehe. I always wondered that, but I figured it was a cheap shot to use against someone in this Great Debate.

Honestly, I have NEVER obtained a SINGLE song or movie without paying for it (well, unless it was a freebie given away).

I've never been against DRM because I make my living as an artist and many of my friends are musicians. People need to put food on their tables. I once stole a playboy magazine from a waldens bookstore when I was 14. I'm not by extension going to defend shoplifting. Wrong is wrong, even if we don't always do the right thing.

I'm only against DRM insofar as it almost ALWAYS violates Fair Use doctrine.

There has yet to be a DRM system which protects both the rights of the creator as well as the rights of the public. Yes, *shock horror* the public, and people specifically, DO have rights to your creations under the law.

http://www.copyright.gov

Read up on it sometime. (Not directed at anyone specifically; just anyone who didn't realize that fact).

First off... I personally dont have pirated mp3s... I also don't have an anti-copybot...



However, this analogy is not the same... copybot and pirating music....


When someone pirates music, it makes a copy.... It does not make the copier of the song the creator of the music. With music, there are massive places to look to know who made what song and when. The creator of the music isn't erased and the new owner becomes the creator when it's copied.

Huh? That doesn't make any sense.

You can't tell WHO created a copied CD of music, especially if the title/track info (which few CDs have anyway) was erased in the copy process.

OK, I hand you a CD of pirated music. Please look it up and tell me what the name of the song is, and who "created" it. Unless you have heard the music before and know it yourself, you'd be SOL (that's SHURE OUT OF LUCK!) determining whose it was. I could even claim it was mine, and you'd have no realistic way of verifying it.

Likewise, in SL, making a copy of a thing doesn't make you the creator of the original thing as well as the copy. Just the copy.

Maybe I misunderstand your point, though.

Yes i was a lil misunderstood (my fault on not being clear)....

Here's my example.... we'll consider Secondlife the same as the WWW for sake of argument for my example:

A person rips a CD (10 songs)... that person then sets up a website and sells that music claiming that it is his. ...that website is visited by 500-20,000 people a day. That person will at the very least be facing 6 figure fines within a few weeks.

A person rips 10 objects in SL... that person sets up a shop claiming that those objects are his creations. ... the store is visited by 500-20,000 people a day. That person at the very least may get an IM from the original creator and an abuse report filed against him. At MOST, that avatar gets banned from SL.

I would hope that the copied items would get deleted from the database as well, though you'd have 500 to 20,000 pissed off folks, esp if it was an expensive item. Still, caveat emptor.

Realistically, I wouldn't expect that anyone would survive long enough selling copies of anything significant. If the item was popular, they may sell fast, but they also would be found out a lot faster. If the object wasn't popular, then it may not get noticed for a while, but it also wouldn't sell very many copies. I would expect anyone risking infringement would probably go for the former, to make a quick buck, then try to cash out (note that "cashing out" doesn't mean turning into US$, but spending the money in-world or passing it off to someone else, who would be fingered as an accomplice).

My point (from other threads) still stands: realistically, I would not expect that it will even made a blip on the proverbial radar, thus the hysteria surrounding it is quite unfounded.

Let's see... I have a somewhat sizeable mp3 collection. Half of them I've downloaded, either as an introduction to certain artists and groups I never knew about or because I couldn't find that stuff in record stores. Now, of those songs I've downloaded, approx. 80% of them have been replaced with higher-quality rips I've made from CDs I've legitimately bought because I liked them. Approximately 15% of my original downloads still do not correspond to a CD or LP in my collection because I either haven't found that recording in record stores (real world record stores or online) or because the CDs or LPs they were on had only one or two good songs and tons of filler; or because I've misplaced the CD (for instance, that copy of Maggie Reilly's "Echoes" that I loaned to someone who simply lost it). The other 5% has been deleted, because I didn't like it. That makes about 3,000 songs.

The other 3,000 songs I have... I've ripped them from CDs and LPs I have legitimately bought.

Sorry sorry.. I couldn't resist..

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