Another ALT Camping Issue

I had thought a land owner in the sim next to where i live had opened a club, and maybe that was the reason for why my home sim was lagging a lot lately. Come to find out, it's a little sculptie furniture shop, and ~500m in the sky above it is an open-top box with at least 13 avatars standing in it and idling. 3 are fresh alts, some have different clothes, and the owner of the furniture shop/land/alts is in there too. 24/7 of this and his NEW shop (around a week i'd guess) has traffic over 13k. Is there anything I can do about it? I'd like to see these idling alts gone.. they're lagging my home. Go see for yourself, the sim is Tethys.. follow the green dots.

Not Camping per se, but gamming the traffic system.

What can you do?

You can look up the Community Standards and find the section about "misues of resources". I'm not sure where it is, but I do remember reading about it loooooooong ago. Then file an AR. And keep filing ARs. Talk to neighbors and see if they can file ARs.

You could also try the spiffy new Support Ticket system. Though after the initial "jump on the ball" attitude from LL, I've seen a slowdown in response times. I think it's becomming just as swamped as the AR, BR and the Live Help system before them

~Jessy

Thanx Jessy, I did flip thru the CS and the ToS, but all i could find that might apply was the CS part about disturbing the peace. Will certainly put in the AR's if i have to, but maybe i'll just IM the guy first.. dunno. Thx.

Do they even care about this TOS rule? They use to but these days...........

I have to wonder how this traffic rating actually works. When I check traffic on our 4 parcels (1 for each business in the same sim), they don't go above 100-150 at best. Since we openned those businesses, starting back in October 2006, I have certainly been to each parcel myself more than that, not including all the many 1,000's of visitors/clients/emploees, we have there on a regular basis.

If the ratings are per avatar per day, then having 20 campers sat there day after day, should not help that much. If it is based on how many hours per avatar that dwell in the place, then there would be an advantage. If it's based on only new traffic, then camping is a waste of time. I can only therefore assume it is very much linked to dwell and not actual 'traffic'. Otherwise, most carparks would be considered high traffic areas with almost continous congestion.

For my definition of 'traffic' is on the lines of how many people actually tp into an area per day/cycle, averaged out over say per month/week etc. In much the same way as visitors to a website. You don't measure popularity of a website dependant on how long a person stays on your website, otherwise I'd just open my websites and leave them permanatley open on my desktop.

As for a sim restart, it'll keep them all logged out until the user next comes back on.

Keep asking daily, until Linden Lab do something about it.

There are too many people doing this now, I really think the ToS needs to be tightened up so it specifically is an offense.

Oh, and kill off Traffic completely. Let quality speak for itself instead of who can pay the most (classified), cheat the system the most (alts/camping), screw events (multiple spamming and back to back non-events) and search (_____aaaaAardvark Club).

Broccoli

As reported in the system, one point of traffic represents one avatar present for 5 minutes. t doesn't matter what teh avatar is doing in that time, or how long or how many times previously it has been there.

By definition, that is not 'traffic' that's 'dwell'. So by their own doing, LL are creating a situation where the actual recording of true 'traffic' can be manlipulated by camping.. so they should change their terminology.. not that I give a cr*p.. as I'm always suspicious about whats reported, just like those that liked to hike up their ratings in classified using ' __________AAAAAAAnother cr*ppy sim to come visit' (___ represent spaces) full of gambling machines, porno pictures and campers, personally I always start on the last page of the search results and work my way back up, it has saved me a lottttta time doing that in the past, to find good things.

Well that's a bit of a disingenuous statement. After all, it's not like they can sort search results based on a vague and subjective attribute like "quality," and they obviously need to sort search results somehow (even a neutral sorting like alphabetical is problematic because of name games.) The closest you can come is a market system where you assume that the highest quality stores can afford to purchase more expensive ads. Such an assumption isn't entirely correct in the short term, but is mostly correct in the long term (ie. a wealthy person with crummy product could afford to buy a pricey classified for a little while, but eventually the slow sales of the crummy product would bankrupt them.)

One could argue that camping amounts to the same thing, but the misdirection of funneling money into traffic is both unnecessary and misleading. Far better to simply have money directly translate into search placement, so that the searchers will understand how the system works.

As for the trick the OP described, it is far too easy and cost-effective for someone to have a bunch of zombie alts running from one computer. This is an even bigger problem than camping since it doesn't have even the small redeeming quality of giving newbies money, and it is bound to become more widespread as the stripped down clients one would use to do this become increasingly accessible. Only solution is to get rid of traffic.

I know that, you know that,but I don't think LL knows it yet

that's really creepy. it's the first box full of zombies that i see in SL.
Traffic: 16441, Area: 512 sq. m

at least he only gets 18 words for that traffic and 512sq. m is easy to explore, you get there - don't like it - you're gone. to bad for the lag he causes. i would just get out.

He's got 'no fly' on his land ( Tethy and see the dots), so go to the plot beside it a fly up to 750 metres.
10 of them just standing there. Some sleepy individuals on the ground too.

What a low-life!

Personally, I refuse to buy at any store that games the traffic ratings in that manner. I tell my friends to do the same.

Ooo the no-fly zone is new then... *grumbles* The lag was really bad yesterday cuz of this. Can I ask that if you guys are in the area that you help me out a tad and file a quik AR on this guys zombie box? or is that too much/improper to ask?
*flies off to pout, then fill out more AR's*

I'm unsure of the impact of ARs from Residents who do not own land in the ism in question (or possibly teh surrounding sims which would see these "campers" as child agents). Land owners in teh sim would definately have a valid complaint against improper use of resources. I'm unsure as LL's take on ARs from non-landowners in situations that generally do not impact them.

I understand anyone going into the sim will be lagged, but so would someone going to a sim with a huge crowd at a club. Given an example that the club owner owns all, or msot, of the land in the sim, would this be an abuse of resources? It may be to the oen person that owns a 512m plot next to this hypothectical club, but to the average person flying by? *shrugs*

I'm not saying not to AR this. I'm jsut curious of the quasi-legal impact. Does a "visitor" to a sim have claim to sim resources in reguards to a situation like this?

Personally, I'd like to see LL break the anti-idle scripts. If you need to go afk that long, log off (or get logged off) and log back in when you get back. It takes 10 minutes for the system to log you out without an anti-idler. It takes less than 60 seconds to log in. Kill off campers (I'd like to see how many would just sit there for 3L$ every 10 mins if they have to be at the keyboard) and help the community. Of course, that sounds logical so LL will prolly never do it.

Aside question for those who may have uses for them; Is there a vaild use for an anti-idler?

~Jessy

Well... just finished uploading another AR (2nd total by me) and lo-n-behold.. MY sim restarted, not tethys... lmao! How's that for throwing someone a bone to shut em up? hehe
It was real fast.. can't help but wonder if it was LL action, or just all the child agents crashing my home (showed 24 of em and my home sim never crashes on its own).. dunno. Funny thing.. now the guy has closed the top of his zombie box completely..lol.

Someone with a SL outlet might like to be 'present' in case someone wants assistance, etc.
They could keep an eye on the SL window while working/doing in RL.