Welcome to the Second Life Forums Archive

These forums are CLOSED. Please visit the new forums HERE

This "CopyBot" creating rotten people?

Virgil Stapleton
Registered User
Join date: 1 Nov 2006
Posts: 10
11-16-2006 06:18
So I decide to log in last night and end up in some Mall like place. I keep getting spammed some !quit thing even though I never touched a thing. And people are telling me to get lost and that they don't like me even though I didn't say anything or do anything to them. Is it because I am a new character and everyone thinks I am running around waiting to copy someone's stuff?

Also, being as I am fairly new I am mostly just in a trial period right now. I don't want to invest real money into this untile I actually know I am going to stick around. So another question is if people can tell your not a paying customer?

I'm just wondering with all this chaos with the copybot if its causing people to become very negitive toward others. To me thats not a good way to welcome others into the community nor build any sort of friendship. Unless these people are wanting to ruin someones experience and cause them to leave. I know it worked on me last night, I logged out being that I really didn't feel welcomed and am still unsure if I want to return after all that.
Ishtara Rothschild
Do not expose to sunlight
Join date: 21 Apr 2006
Posts: 569
11-16-2006 06:28
*sighs* I found myself getting nervous yesterday too, when I checked my shop and saw someone standing around in the typical new resident clothes, but reminded myself that I always see like 10 new residents around daily. At the moment everyone is understandably nervous about bots who usually look exactly like new residents (in fact, they even are, just controlled by a hacker software that steals other people's apperance items).

I'm really sorry about this bad first impression. I hope it will get better soon, when Linden Lab finally gets their act together and does something against this hacker tool. Please don't take this first impression too serious. SL is usually a much nicer place, and will hopefully be again soon. For the moment, everyone who sees you walking around should know that you aren't a bot :) they usually stand still and are unable to talk. Some new clothes to replace the typical T-Shirt+Jeans look will help a lot too. You can find some free avatars in the Library folder of your inventory.

Welcome to Second Life :) sometimes it's fun, sometimes it's pure chaos, but it never stops to be interesting.
Sae Luan
Hardcore 4the Headstrong
Join date: 6 Feb 2006
Posts: 841
11-16-2006 06:36
Yes, people can tell if you are not a paying customer, and even are able now to ban people with no payment info on file. I still haven't banned non paying accounts, but with all the copybot hysteria, I'm thinking about it. Yet, I don't feel it's right to punish everyone because a few have messed up, so I'm not sure what I'll do.
Virgil Stapleton
Registered User
Join date: 1 Nov 2006
Posts: 10
*Sigh*
11-16-2006 06:43
Well, to avoid causing others a panic by my appearance, I'll just stay away for a while untile the issues are resolved. I don't want people to think I am some crook out to steal anything from them, and like I said, I just don't see the point in investing real money into this without looking at the game and deciding on a level of staying without understanding it. I also don't feel its fair to judge someone based on if they are paying on their account. Maybe I like playing the role of a poverty stricken person and am happy with my Noob clothing.

*Shrugs*

So I think till the fire is put out I'll just find something else to do.
bilbo99 Emu
Garrett's No.1 fan
Join date: 27 Oct 2006
Posts: 3,468
11-16-2006 07:02
From: Virgil Stapleton
Maybe I like playing the role of a poverty stricken person and am happy with my Noob clothing.

*Shrugs*

So I think till the fire is put out I'll just find something else to do.


Hey Virgil, stick around. Plenty of freebies to keep you busy. Admittedly some I've discovered are in fact pirated but for me at least, the socialising is the bigger pull.
Kepster Cure
Paradigm Shifter
Join date: 7 Jan 2006
Posts: 198
11-16-2006 07:08
Hopefully at the town hall we'll get some answers here is libSL giving a statement regarding one of its members and relevant actions:



http://www.libsecondlife.org/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/
_____________________
Keeping the boundaries distant.

-Cure
danica Cullen
Registered User
Join date: 12 Jul 2006
Posts: 64
11-16-2006 07:30
From: Ishtara Rothschild
*sighs* I found myself getting nervous yesterday too, when I checked my shop and saw someone standing around in the typical new resident clothes, but reminded myself that I always see like 10 new residents around daily. At the moment everyone is understandably nervous about bots who usually look exactly like new residents (in fact, they even are, just controlled by a hacker software that steals other people's apperance items).

Can the copybot avatar respond to IMs and/or open chat? If not, why not take a page from brick and mortar retail stores and when you see a suspicious avie, say hello and ask if they have any questions. If they respond, then they are less a threat. If they do not repond, they are either unfriendly or a copybot or a non-English speaker. Either way, that makes them suspicious to me. (Just kidding, my European and French Canadian friends! :p)

Back when I first worked retail, we were taught to approach loitering customers to ask if they needed assistance or had any questions. The purpose was two-fold. It gave the customer the feeling that we care about customer service and are available to help them, and it reduced the risk of shoplifting by letting them know that we know they are there.

If the copybot can respond to IMs and/or open chat, then never mind.

I can see how it would be discouraging for a new player logging on and being bombarded with "QUIT QUIT QUIT QUIT". I guess I'd get the message and quit too.

When an object keeps telling you to "QUIT", don't take it personally. It's just, albeit justified, copybot-inspired paranoia.
Ariyaunna Aridian
Lover of Bacchus
Join date: 6 Nov 2005
Posts: 20
11-16-2006 07:38
New people in SL are great, though with the copybot thing and people using unverified accounts, IE no payment info on file for griefing... this makes it harder for any legitimate person to be treated fairly, and not viewed with suspicion.

I Not every place is so unfriendly perhaps, and I hope your experience gets better.
_____________________
Saepe creat molles aspera spina rosas. - Often a wild thorn produces tender roses. -Ovid
Kalel Venkman
Citizen
Join date: 10 Mar 2006
Posts: 587
Ironically,
11-16-2006 08:00
The !quit spammer only works on the very first version of the CopyBot, of which few examples actually exist. It has no effect whatever on more recent versions, and is, in fact, against the Tos to use because they spam and cannot be blocked.
Angelique LaFollette
Registered User
Join date: 17 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,595
11-16-2006 13:09
In answer to your question, No. Copybot is Not creating Rotton People. The Morally Bankrupt have always been among us. The Human slime mold always looking for a Chance to Scr*w those around them usually for No other reason than they Can.
Copybot was created by Just this sort of Fungus, and is used by same.
Any claim that the creators make that they are somehow Morally seperated from the Users of their tool is completely unsupportable considering they had every opportunity of quietly passing the information on to LL and assisting in finding a Fix BEFORE the exploit became Publicly Known, Instead they chose to Be the ones to Expose the exploit, AND create a tool to make using it Easier.
I have heard frequently that "If they didn't do it, someone else would".
How it is nice to know it WAS done by someone who has our Best interests at heart rather than someone purely out for their own self agrandizement.
Someone else MAY have discovered the same exploit, But given that the Copybot creators discovered it FIRST, And austensibly they are supposed to be employed by LL to discover and BLOCK these exploits, By the time someone else had discovered the exploit, an effective Block could have been developed.
Thier actions in the light of these circumstances ammount to Nothing more than Malicious Sabotage.

Now Virgil, You and Other Honest people are being Targetted by residents of SL who are doing their best to Protect themselves. Is it Fair? No, But then, LL didn't treat fairly with the second life residents, and when they asked for assistance against the problem LL was responsible for creating, they were told simply to "Police it themselves". Well, they Are, Usung the ONLY tools they have available to them. The SL residents are Not Lindens, They Don't have the Tools the Lindens do, Nor do they have the Ability to Change the Base Program of the Game to defend themselves, they have ONLY those Detection methods, and Tools that game Parameters allow.

MY only hope is, that LL won't Punish the residents for Using those tools, WHATEVER they are, do Defend themselves againt this Violation of TOS that LL has chosen to Fix Only with words.

Angel.