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2 birds with 1 stone? Corporations fix camping?

Bree Giffen
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07-25-2007 16:34
I've been thinking... OK well I just thought this up in a few seconds... but we have two problems here...

1. There is no good low-income cashflow for residents. There is camping... and the next level is employment, or store ownership, or something else. The pay difference between camping and the next level is noticeable. There is no in-between.

2. Corporations in SL make lousy sims that no one visits but they do have money to spend and a message to spread.

Why not MERGE these two? Why doesn't a corporate sim make some kind of job that a newcomer to SL can perform that is both time consuming and entertaining and drills that company's product information into their brains.... and then pays them for the effort? Corporations get their valued traffic, newcomers get their pay, camping dies out, everyone loves big business in SL. One big happy family.

Crazy? Or crazy like a fox?
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Cristalle Karami
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07-25-2007 16:36
They probably don't want to list all the micropayments on their payroll. lol
Marianne McCann
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07-25-2007 16:54
From: Bree Giffen
Why not MERGE these two?


One of the corporate islands already includes camping.

http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2007/06/taterus_monday__1.html

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Alicia Sautereau
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07-25-2007 17:13
yea and what has t online there? crap
been there, looked around, saw massive amounts of zombies like most of busy places and tp`d out
Raymond Figtree
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07-25-2007 17:20
From: Bree Giffen
I've been thinking... OK well I just thought this up in a few seconds... but we have two problems here...

1. There is no good low-income cashflow for residents. There is camping... and the next level is employment, or store ownership, or something else. The pay difference between camping and the next level is noticeable. There is no in-between.

2. Corporations in SL make lousy sims that no one visits but they do have money to spend and a message to spread.

Why not MERGE these two? Why doesn't a corporate sim make some kind of job that a newcomer to SL can perform that is both time consuming and entertaining and drills that company's product information into their brains.... and then pays them for the effort? Corporations get their valued traffic, newcomers get their pay, camping dies out, everyone loves big business in SL. One big happy family.

Crazy? Or crazy like a fox?
Love the idea. How many newbs would wear a Coke T-shirt for $30 lindens a day?
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Bree Giffen
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07-25-2007 17:24
I was thinking something better than just your run of the mill camping pads to boost traffic like what T-Online is doing. It has to be something that pays better and actually has people doing things. I know that AOL island has the skateboard park that pays out but it doesn't really pay that much and it doesn't really tell you much about AOL. It should be more work-like.. uhmmm like digging out coal in a coal mine or something. Haha.

Yeah Raymond, how about an attachment that listens to you and makes sure you say "brought to you by Carl's Jr" at least 20 times a day.
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Har Fairweather
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07-25-2007 18:02
I like the thinking in this thread. : D
XPlorR Moore
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07-25-2007 18:27
From: Raymond Figtree
Love the idea. How many newbs would wear a Coke T-shirt for $30 lindens a day?
Not very many considering you could easily get L$30 in 3 hours of camping. I guess it's ok you did it in addition to camping.

From: Bree Giffen
Yeah Raymond, how about an attachment that listens to you and makes sure you say "brought to you by Carl's Jr" at least 20 times a day.
Sound a little embarrassing. :/ and anyway, do you really want to trade camping zombies with chat spamming walking ads. At least the zombies are quiet.
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07-25-2007 18:47
From: XPlorR Moore
Not very many considering you could easily get L$30 in 3 hours of camping. I guess it's ok you did it in addition to camping.


I think actually quite a lot. Wearing a coke T-shirt would let them earn a small amount while actually doing other things and seeing/learning/exploring the world of SL (one prime reason I eventually graduated from camping chairs to money trees my first week). But that is speaking on behalf of us REAL newbies, and not the camping bots that are usually being run by people more than 30 days old (even if their throwaway accounts are much younger). They'll just grab a Coke T-shirt and return to their chairs, you are correct.

Especially if they had an option to not just select a Coke t-shirt, but one by a company they think is "cool", such as the Hard Rock Cafe t-shirts people used to wear in RL not too long ago. In fact in that case they usually *paid* someone else for the ability to advertise their company.

Heck yah, I would have worn a NewEgg T-shirt and Amazon baseball cap my first week in Second Life for $L30/day. You betcha!

In fact, I might even be convinced to do it now, for a company I felt some sort of attachment for, such as Bethesda or Bioware games.

Remember also, not all countries have the kind of disposable income that those of us in America and Western Europe have. $9.95/month or so is not a lot for most Americans, but it IS a substantial amount for citizens of other countries, who will likely increasingly be our SL neighbors in coming years.

I imagine that thought alone, will make a lot of people feel a bit uncomfortable.... Right now, I suspect we are an awfully darn homogenized group in in SL even if we do come from all over the globe. But parts of the globe that can "afford" to spend $9.95/mo or so on leisure pasttimes (let alone the cost of owning a computer, an internet connection, and electricity to run them all).
Brenda Connolly
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07-25-2007 20:13
Hmmmm all the Campers on the Corporate Sims.....I like it. A few Tactical Nukes and problem is solved.

I guess if that's what people want to do, fine. But you can't pay me to wear any corporate logo in SL. I try not to do it in RL whenever possible.
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Aleister Montgomery
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07-25-2007 20:20
Corporations want to attract a certain target group. No matter what their target groups look like, they have one thing in common: money to spend. Means, campers are outside all those target groups. People who can't even afford to spend a few dollars on their entertainment are highly unlikely to be able to buy whatever RL product is advertised in corporate sims.
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Brash Zenovka
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07-25-2007 20:25
Yes, but get a few mobile newbies mingling at concerts, classrooms, and the like, and you start taking the product to the target, instead of enticing the target to come to you.
Johan Laurasia
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07-25-2007 20:30
Campers camp because they have no skills, learning corporate 411 requires a brain.. something most campers lack.. you see learning=work, which campers seem to avoid.
Kitty Barnett
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07-25-2007 20:35
There is no standard of living on SL (you don't *need* L$ to 'survive'), and if you don't want to put money into SL, you are making a fully conscious choice, and that shouldn't come with any sense of entitlement that L$ should then somehow magically drop from the sky instead.

Newbies do benefit from having something to start out with (LL should really drop the 4 weeks waiting time for the L$250 verification bonus), but established residents already know if SL is worthwhile or not. If it turns out that SL is worth $0 to them, then that choice just reflects in-world with having no L$ to spend.

All the success stories from people who started out camping and then moved on to better and more worthwhile things with "earnings" are nice, but they're a tiny minority of all the campers who don't want to move on, they just want free L$. I'm not going to feel sorry for anyone that just flat out refuses to use the options that do exist and then whines about not having L$ to buy things.
Rocketman Raymaker
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07-25-2007 20:38
From: Raymond Figtree
Love the idea. How many newbs would wear a Coke T-shirt for $30 lindens a day?


Hell, im a bit of an oldbie now but i think i drink enough coke in RL to warrant wearing a coke shirt in SL for 30L a day, think of it as a way to recover all the money i sepnd on coke.LOL

Conut me in!!!
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Yumi Murakami
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07-25-2007 22:24
I actually suspect that it's because the companies are being asked by the MDCs who are building for them, to be ecological and not damage the SL economy.

If Coke was going to run camping chairs it could probably afford to pay L$100/minute but what would that do to the SL economy?
Bree Giffen
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07-26-2007 08:06
Wouldn't that be good? 100L out of Coke's pocket and placed into the SL economy? Who does Coke directly compete against here anyways? Pepsi? The aim here is to get newcomers more spending cash. * Maybe make it a limited one time payout but still better than camping. * But it would in turn lead to newcomers getting cold hard lindens to upgrade their avatars, upload textures, give tips to the dancers.
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07-26-2007 08:40
I don't want to say camping and here's a take on the t-shirt idea. How about a baseball cap, one that's linked to something like the camp-master signs that allow you to roam the sim while 'camping?'

Or if you have to have camping pads, why not set them to work 'assembling' the corporation's 'product' that runs on a conveyor belt? You know, like a sweat shop, only with avatars?
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