Welcome to the Second Life Forums Archive

These forums are CLOSED. Please visit the new forums HERE

Those familiar with Terms of Service/Use...

MichaelJacksonWasA Wonder
Registered User
Join date: 3 Jul 2009
Posts: 8
01-30-2010 21:06
Does anyone know if its against TOS/TOU (I can never remember which one it is for sl) regarding disclosure & privacy specifically regarding your transactions? Is it ok with in LL's rules to for one person to public disclose their transactions with you with out consent and to do so in a slanderous way?

Any info anyone can give would be greatly appreciated.
Kara Spengler
Pink Cat
Join date: 11 Jun 2007
Posts: 1,227
01-30-2010 21:07
disclosure is disclosure
_____________________
Those Lindening Lindens!

'O predictable experience,
O predictable experience,
Never shalt we define thee.
Our users think that means no lagging,
But we say they want no shagging.
O predictable experience,
O predictable experience,
We love you null expression.'
Sindy Tsure
Will script for shoes
Join date: 18 Sep 2006
Posts: 4,103
01-30-2010 21:10
From: MichaelJacksonWasA Wonder
Does anyone know if its against TOS/TOU (I can never remember which one it is for sl) regarding disclosure & privacy specifically regarding your transactions? Is it ok with in LL's rules to for one person to public disclose their transactions with you with out consent and to do so in a slanderous way?

Any info anyone can give would be greatly appreciated.

Like, would it be ok if I said "I bought stuff at MJ's store"? I'd think that'd be ok.

Or like "I'm an escort and MJ's one kinky guy - lemme tell you what he paid for last night!" sorta thing? I think that'd probably be a violation of section 4 of the Community Standards..
From: CS
Disclosure

Residents are entitled to a reasonable level of privacy with regard to their Second Life experience. Sharing personal information about a fellow Resident --including gender, religion, age, marital status, race, sexual preference, and real-world location beyond what is provided by the Resident in the First Life page of their Resident profile is a violation of that Resident's privacy. Remotely monitoring conversations, posting conversation logs, or sharing conversation logs without consent are all prohibited in Second Life and on the Second Life Forums.

http://secondlife.com/corporate/cs.php
_____________________
Sick of sims locking up every time somebody TPs in? Vote for SVC-3895!!!
- Go here: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-3895
- If you see "if you were logged in.." on the left, click it and log in
- Click the "Vote for it" link on the left
Peggy Paperdoll
A Brat
Join date: 15 Apr 2006
Posts: 4,383
01-30-2010 21:15
From: Sindy Tsure
Like, would it be ok if I said "I bought stuff at MJ's store"? I'd think that'd be ok.

Or like "I'm an escort and MJ's one kinky guy - lemme tell you what he paid for last night!" sorta thing? I think that'd probably be a violation of section 4 of the Community Standards..

http://secondlife.com/corporate/cs.php



But, if I said "Man, I just made 10 K for a quick cyber blow............I'm above 50,000 in my account now." That, I don't think is a violation. I would have my consent.
Kara Spengler
Pink Cat
Join date: 11 Jun 2007
Posts: 1,227
01-30-2010 21:18
Ask yourself if there is *any* possible situation where the person who has information being dislosed could get upset. When someone has a store they are probably not going to object to free advertising. However a customer might not want it public knowledge that they shopped somewhere. Not just adult-oriented stuff, a person who makes clothes may not want it out there that they were buying a business in a box.
_____________________
Those Lindening Lindens!

'O predictable experience,
O predictable experience,
Never shalt we define thee.
Our users think that means no lagging,
But we say they want no shagging.
O predictable experience,
O predictable experience,
We love you null expression.'
Lissa Fimicoloud
Registered User
Join date: 29 Jul 2007
Posts: 75
01-30-2010 22:23
A rule of thumb:
If what you say makes someone else identifiable, it may get you in trouble.
_____________________
Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious.
Ann Otoole
Registered User
Join date: 22 May 2007
Posts: 867
01-30-2010 22:52
AR it. Let RESI sort it out.
Innula Zenovka
Registered User
Join date: 20 Jun 2007
Posts: 1,825
01-31-2010 06:04
I wouldn't hold your breath, though.

Some time ago a friend of mine was furious, and rightly so, when she had what she thought was a perfectly civilised business discussion with someone -- she contact him to see if he was interested in her making some custom items exclusively for his RP group, they talked about it and couldn't agree -- he thought she was too expensive and she wasn't happy with the deal he proposed -- and they left it at that, or so she thought.

Ten minutes later, he posted a notecard to his whole group (several hundred members) reproducing the whole conversation, prefaced with some remarks about what a good guy he was, looking after the group members' best interests and turning down deals that he considered too expensive.

She ARd him and so, too, did several of his group members. Nothing ever happened that anyone could tell. The notecard certainly stayed up on the group announcements thingy on his group page for the normal time.
Imogen Saltair
Registered User
Join date: 29 Nov 2006
Posts: 682
01-31-2010 13:06
From: Sindy Tsure

Or like "I'm an escort and MJ's one kinky guy - lemme tell you what he paid for last night!" sorta thing? I think that'd probably be a violation of section 4 of the Community Standards..



No decent escort would divulge names or client information in that way, even if it wasn't in violation of TOS or CS. An escort might say to another escort "you wont believe what a client asked me to do, and he paid me x to do it" but she wouldn't reveal names. The only time a name would be shared is if the guy broke the 'contract' ie; took the service and didn't pay, or wasted an excessive amount of the escorts time negotiating, which happens a lot. Then she might say to her colleague "Watch out for So and So, he might try to mess you around, make sure he pays upfront".

Escorts are not immoral in every way, only the ones the client really likes :)

Imogen
Melita Magic
On my own terms.
Join date: 5 Jun 2008
Posts: 2,253
01-31-2010 14:20
Dunno what the OP is asking.

If it is the same person's transaction who is telling it, that is not disclosure.

Disclosure is someone ELSE going around repeating it, basically.
_____________________
"Every time you help a newbie, an angel gets its wings." - from some movie or other...
Amity Slade
Registered User
Join date: 14 Feb 2007
Posts: 2,183
01-31-2010 18:25
Community standards prohibits two things. One is sharing personal information about another resident (unless it's something the resident herself has posted in her Profile). The second is intercepting or sharing chat logs.

You are not prohibited from sharing the contents of your own transactions log. Neither are you prohibited from describing an interaction you had with someone else, as long as you don't post the logs (and don't share personal information).
MichaelJacksonWasA Wonder
Registered User
Join date: 3 Jul 2009
Posts: 8
01-31-2010 23:28
Ok let me give you a clearer scenario. A man and a woman were engaged and then get married in SL. The male owned a non profit business before he met the woman. They help run it together when they get married in sl. The woman has far more money in sl and rl than the male. They work everything together but he can't contribute financially like she can for personal items between them (not part of the business). The business accepts donations since its really a non profit entity. Donations from visitors go towards paying employees, for Tier, and for items to maintain the "business". Aside from that the two have expenses for things they want such as an elaborate wedding the bride wants etc. She knows her fiance can't afford such so she puts forth the money for the wedding and all items required for it voluntarily. The male moves his non profit entity off of the rented land he had before he met his wife, and moves it onto land she owns to save tier being paid to a stranger, considering the wife owns a substantial amount of mainland and was paying tier for it regardless if her husband was there or not. In other words the husband moving his non profit business to the wives land does not cost her anything extra than she wasn't already paying before then.

The two separate in a very voilatile situation. The wife decides to circulate a notecard of all of her transactions with detailed accounting and naming her ex husband, showing all the money she gave him (voluntarilly) for the wedding and any other items purchased for themselves as a couple. She circulates this to perfect strangers.

There is great deal more that I could share. But in essence this activity of the ex wife is hurting the former husband and his non profit business that he started way before he ever met the woman. She has tried to steal the people connected to this non profit business, and has used numerous tactics to try to hurt the husband including circulating a note card of her transactions that list other people, but especially targeting her ex husband. She tells perfect strangers when she gives them this note card that her ex stole from her etc.

Are her actions reportable? There's a note card to prove what I am saying, as given to other people. She also makes it easily accessible for people to access her transaction records which does include the names of many other people. The first example is more detrimental considering its being used to slander her ex partner and say he stole money from her and others when in fact it was their arrangement because of what they both wanted and his lack of sl income. In other words the transactions between them were as a couple and had nothing to do with the non profit business that he owned and let her join in with.

Any course of action that can be taken? This person is doing far more than what I have written here. There is ongoing harassment, her sending people over in alt accounts to harass him, her slandering his name to anyone who will listen.
MichaelJacksonWasA Wonder
Registered User
Join date: 3 Jul 2009
Posts: 8
01-31-2010 23:39
A note card with detailed transactions between a man and a woman who were married in sl is being circulated to strangers, with statements from the woman that the ex-husband stole from her.

The truth is, she had far more money than he when they were together. She wanted a big wedding that he couldn't afford so she funded everything for the wedding along with other items in their personal relationship.

Now the woman is circulating heavy details of the transactions between them, from her to him, to perfect strangers attempting to call him a thief and to get people to not go to his business (non profit business)

There is a great deal more to this but I don't want to disclose the details. There is a great deal of slander, harassment going on with the use of alts, lies spread in private chat, attempts from the woman's staff to steal the husbands staff...and the chaos continues.

Would this scenario where the woman is circulating private transactions between her and her ex to hurt him, and is being given with his full name and even comments in the notecard about him to hurt him, would this be worth a AR?

The woman has also made note cards of all of her transactions available easily and publicly which include the ex-husband.