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Eep Quirk

Absolutely Relative

Join date: 15 Dec 2004

Posts: 1,211

04-26-2006 04:47

Steps to reproduce the bug: Create a "tortured" prim by making a sphere, setting its begin and end dimple to .49 and .51, then changing to another prim like a cylinder. Reduce z size to .01 and convert to a flex prim.

Observed results: Although the z size doesn't change, the prim gets longer as if it wasn't tortured.

Expected results: Tortured prims should remain tortured when flexible.

Strife Onizuka

Moonchild

Join date: 3 Mar 2004

Posts: 5,887

04-26-2006 07:45

I assume you are sending bug reports too.

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Argent Stonecutter

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04-26-2006 08:59

From: Eep Quirk

Expected results: Tortured prims should remain tortured when flexible.

First, does the torture come back when you turn flexi off?

This makes sense, since you can't make a flexible sphere. It seems like the code for rendering flexible prims is all new, so it's not surprising that the flexiprim code just ignores any parameters that aren't used by the cube or the cylinder.

A couple of options: they could treat tortured prims as spheres and not turn them flexi, or they could support them properly and add a parameter to the cube and cylinder that corresponds to dimple. I would MUCH prefer the latter.

Feynt Mistral

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Join date: 24 Sep 2005

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04-26-2006 11:15

In .13 I noticed this while making whiskers for my head. I tried dimpling a sphere and then converted it to a cube for nice, round whiskers. Imagine my surprise when the cylinder went from slender and gently tapered to thick, twice as long, and untapered upon engaging flexiness. Removing the flexible state didn't return it to its previous shape. I had to resort to using cut prisms for the task, but they aren't rounded like I had wanted.

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Eep Quirk

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04-26-2006 17:53

From: Strife Onizuka

I assume you are sending bug reports too.

You mean the obvious bug report format doesn't give that away?

Eep Quirk

Absolutely Relative

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04-26-2006 17:57

From: Milo Linden via email

This is intended behaviour, flexible prims can only be of a certain shape and only properties of that shape are used, so tortured prims will have some settings unused, although these setting wont be lost, and will revert to tortured upon disabling flexible path.

Well, how about making flex prims work with other shapes (spheres at least) too so torturted settings CAN be retained?

Milo Linden

Quality Assurance

Join date: 22 Mar 2006

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04-26-2006 18:25

From: Eep Quirk

Well, how about making flex prims work with other shapes (spheres at least) too so torturted settings CAN be retained?

Please read the top sticky in this forum, and post a feature suggestion.

Eep Quirk

Absolutely Relative

Join date: 15 Dec 2004

Posts: 1,211

04-26-2006 18:41

From: Milo Linden

Please read the top sticky in this forum, and post a feature suggestion.

All the good THAT'll do. If flex prims were meant to work on other prims it would already be so. I'd rather cut to the chase and find out from one of the Lindens who coded them (like Yedwab Linden, I believe) why. Can you ask please? Thanks.

bug: flexibility untortures prims
Eep Quirk Absolutely Relative Join date: 15 Dec 2004 Posts: 1,211	04-26-2006 04:47 Steps to reproduce the bug: Create a "tortured" prim by making a sphere, setting its begin and end dimple to .49 and .51, then changing to another prim like a cylinder. Reduce z size to .01 and convert to a flex prim. Observed results: Although the z size doesn't change, the prim gets longer as if it wasn't tortured. Expected results: Tortured prims should remain tortured when flexible.
Strife Onizuka Moonchild Join date: 3 Mar 2004 Posts: 5,887	04-26-2006 07:45 I assume you are sending bug reports too. _____________________ Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite. Islanded between the arms, the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main river. - Cyril Connolly Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence. - James Nachtwey
Argent Stonecutter Emergency Mustelid Join date: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 20,263	04-26-2006 08:59 From: Eep Quirk Expected results: Tortured prims should remain tortured when flexible. First, does the torture come back when you turn flexi off? This makes sense, since you can't make a flexible sphere. It seems like the code for rendering flexible prims is all new, so it's not surprising that the flexiprim code just ignores any parameters that aren't used by the cube or the cylinder. A couple of options: they could treat tortured prims as spheres and not turn them flexi, or they could support them properly and add a parameter to the cube and cylinder that corresponds to dimple. I would MUCH prefer the latter.
Feynt Mistral Registered User Join date: 24 Sep 2005 Posts: 551	04-26-2006 11:15 In .13 I noticed this while making whiskers for my head. I tried dimpling a sphere and then converted it to a cube for nice, round whiskers. Imagine my surprise when the cylinder went from slender and gently tapered to thick, twice as long, and untapered upon engaging flexiness. Removing the flexible state didn't return it to its previous shape. I had to resort to using cut prisms for the task, but they aren't rounded like I had wanted. _____________________ I dream of a better tomorrow in SL! You should too. Visit, vote, voice opinions. Support CSG! Tell LL how much it would mean to subtract one prim from another! Prim Animation! Stop by and say something about it, show your support!
Eep Quirk Absolutely Relative Join date: 15 Dec 2004 Posts: 1,211	04-26-2006 17:53 From: Strife Onizuka I assume you are sending bug reports too. You mean the obvious bug report format doesn't give that away?
Eep Quirk Absolutely Relative Join date: 15 Dec 2004 Posts: 1,211	04-26-2006 17:57 From: Milo Linden via email This is intended behaviour, flexible prims can only be of a certain shape and only properties of that shape are used, so tortured prims will have some settings unused, although these setting wont be lost, and will revert to tortured upon disabling flexible path. Well, how about making flex prims work with other shapes (spheres at least) too so torturted settings CAN be retained?
Milo Linden Quality Assurance Join date: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 140	04-26-2006 18:25 From: Eep Quirk Well, how about making flex prims work with other shapes (spheres at least) too so torturted settings CAN be retained? Please read the top sticky in this forum, and post a feature suggestion.
Eep Quirk Absolutely Relative Join date: 15 Dec 2004 Posts: 1,211	04-26-2006 18:41 From: Milo Linden Please read the top sticky in this forum, and post a feature suggestion. All the good THAT'll do. If flex prims were meant to work on other prims it would already be so. I'd rather cut to the chase and find out from one of the Lindens who coded them (like Yedwab Linden, I believe) why. Can you ask please? Thanks.

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