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Strife Onizuka

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05-03-2006 16:27

From: Release Notes for Second Life 1.9.1(18) May 3, 2006

Objects that were set Fullbright prior to 1.9.1 will be listed as 'Fullbright(Legacy)'
1. Once this setting is changed for an object, it cannot be set back to this value except via script

Could this change to fullbright be explained? I'm having a dickens of a time figuring this one out. What does this mean and why it was changed?

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Eggy Lippmann

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05-03-2006 16:36

From: Strife Onizuka

Could this change to fullbright be explained? I'm having a dickens of a time figuring this one out. What does this mean and why it was changed?

Linden once again deems us too incompetent to manage our own resources and prefers us to set everything to a true light and leave it up to their algorithm to determine what's light and what's fullbright.

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Strife Onizuka

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05-03-2006 17:06

Ok I asked a Vektor about this; it has nothing to do with Full Bright.

What LL has done, is they are treating all objects who's material was set to "Light" prior to 1.9.1 are now treated the same as Full Bright. In the materials dropdrop down it says 'Fullbright(Legacy)'.

Basicly they axed all old lights; and if you want it to be a light, you have to use the new light interface. They haven't done anything to fullbright.

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Michi Lumin

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05-03-2006 18:41

you can still set stuff fullbright; i think they meant 'casts light' or something

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Argent Stonecutter

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05-04-2006 07:47

Surely the (Legacy) is just an indication as to the fact that this *object* was fullbright because it was light before 1.9.1, and if you want it fullbright now you need to set the surfaces to fullbright instead.

Beatfox Xevious

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05-04-2006 09:37

So basically, what they meant to say was this:

From: someone

Objects that were set to Light material prior to 1.9.1 will be listed as 'Fullbright(Legacy)'

Correct?

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Strife Onizuka

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05-04-2006 13:21

From: Beatfox Xevious

So basically, what they meant to say was this:

From: someone

Objects that were set to Light material prior to 1.9.1 will be listed as 'Fullbright(Legacy)'

Correct?

I beleive that is what they ment to say. That is how it works.

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- Cyril Connolly

Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence.
- James Nachtwey

Harris Hare

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05-04-2006 13:50

It also means that if you change said legacy objects to any other material, they can never be changed back to "Fullbright (legacy)". Might be fun to keep a few of these objects around for posterity.

Beatfox Xevious

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05-04-2006 16:09

From: Harris Hare

It also means that if you change said legacy objects to any other material, they can never be changed back to "Fullbright (legacy)". Might be fun to keep a few of these objects around for posterity.

Actually, the note says they can be changed to this value via script... which seems a bit odd, IMHO. o_O

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Harris Hare

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05-05-2006 14:39

From: Beatfox Xevious

Actually, the note says they can be changed to this value via script... which seems a bit odd, IMHO. o_O

True. I missed that.

It is odd but I assume they mean that PRIM_MATERIAL_LIGHT will continued to be an allowed material constant which in turn will be displays in the UI as "Fullbright (legacy)".

I just checked the LSL wiki and at the moment it says that PRIM_MATERIAL_LIGHT has been "

removed in SL 1.9.1)" but that may not be accurate according to this release note.

Strife Onizuka

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05-05-2006 15:23

From: Harris Hare

True. I missed that.

It is odd but I assume they mean that PRIM_MATERIAL_LIGHT will continued to be an allowed material constant which in turn will be displays in the UI as "Fullbright (legacy)".

I just checked the LSL wiki and at the moment it says that PRIM_MATERIAL_LIGHT has been "

removed in SL 1.9.1)" but that may not be accurate according to this release note.

Only one function in the history of LSL has been removed outright, that is llGodLikeRezObject (though there is no evidence to support that it has been removed from the VM). Everything else has just been depreciated or axed in some creative way.

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- James Nachtwey

paulie Femto

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removal of fullbrights would be silly

05-05-2006 15:35

Fullbrights are probably the least expensive method of "lighting" an object. I can't see fullbright functionality being removed.

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05-06-2006 01:46

From: paulie Femto

Fullbrights are probably the least expensive method of "lighting" an object. I can't see fullbright functionality being removed.

Re-read what Harris wrote, paulie:

From: Harris Hare

It is odd but I assume they mean that PRIM_MATERIAL_LIGHT will continued to be an allowed material constant which in turn will be displays in the UI as "Fullbright (legacy)".

I just checked the LSL wiki and at the moment it says that PRIM_MATERIAL_LIGHT has been "

removed in SL 1.9.1)" but that may not be accurate according to this release note.

Note the PRIM_MATERIAL_LIGHT part, not PRIM_FULLBRIGHT. Anyway, the LSL Wiki isn't always correct--especially during a preview. I added the "

removed in SL 1.9.1)" bit to PRIM_MATERIAL_LIGHT since I thought it WOULD be removed. Anyway, Strife (Blind Wanderer) has changed it to "deprecated".

Velox Severine

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05-07-2006 14:32

The LSL constants they were talking about are constants to switch lights on/off, change color, radius, and falloff.

Basically what they're doing right now is changing all current LIGHT MATERIAL objects to a material that shows the change, and makes the prim fullbright. There is no need for light material types with the new hardware lighting which can be edited in a new "features" tab, or as I said above by the new constants for llSetPrimitiveParams().

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Fullbright Changes, explination please
Strife Onizuka Moonchild Join date: 3 Mar 2004 Posts: 5,887	05-03-2006 16:27 From: Release Notes for Second Life 1.9.1(18) May 3, 2006 Objects that were set Fullbright prior to 1.9.1 will be listed as 'Fullbright(Legacy)' Once this setting is changed for an object, it cannot be set back to this value except via script Could this change to fullbright be explained? I'm having a dickens of a time figuring this one out. What does this mean and why it was changed? _____________________ Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite. Islanded between the arms, the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main river. - Cyril Connolly Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence. - James Nachtwey
Eggy Lippmann Wiktator Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 7,939	05-03-2006 16:36 From: Strife Onizuka Could this change to fullbright be explained? I'm having a dickens of a time figuring this one out. What does this mean and why it was changed? Linden once again deems us too incompetent to manage our own resources and prefers us to set everything to a true light and leave it up to their algorithm to determine what's light and what's fullbright. _____________________ Help us document Second Life history at http://slhistory.org!
Strife Onizuka Moonchild Join date: 3 Mar 2004 Posts: 5,887	05-03-2006 17:06 Ok I asked a Vektor about this; it has nothing to do with Full Bright. What LL has done, is they are treating all objects who's material was set to "Light" prior to 1.9.1 are now treated the same as Full Bright. In the materials dropdrop down it says 'Fullbright(Legacy)'. Basicly they axed all old lights; and if you want it to be a light, you have to use the new light interface. They haven't done anything to fullbright. _____________________ Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite. Islanded between the arms, the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main river. - Cyril Connolly Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence. - James Nachtwey
Michi Lumin Sharp and Pointy Join date: 14 Oct 2003 Posts: 1,793	05-03-2006 18:41 you can still set stuff fullbright; i think they meant 'casts light' or something _____________________
Argent Stonecutter Emergency Mustelid Join date: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 20,263	05-04-2006 07:47 Surely the (Legacy) is just an indication as to the fact that this object was fullbright because it was light before 1.9.1, and if you want it fullbright now you need to set the surfaces to fullbright instead.
Beatfox Xevious is THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE Join date: 1 Jun 2004 Posts: 879	05-04-2006 09:37 So basically, what they meant to say was this: From: someone Objects that were set to Light material prior to 1.9.1 will be listed as 'Fullbright(Legacy)' Correct? _____________________ My Beatworks: Zephyr Chimes wind chimes, the KanaMaster Japanese kana tutor, and the FREE Invisibility Prim Public. Look for them at the Luskwood General Store in Lusk (144, 165). "You have been frozen. You cannot move or chat. A pony will contact you via instant message (IM)." - mysterious system message I received after making off with Pony Linden
Strife Onizuka Moonchild Join date: 3 Mar 2004 Posts: 5,887	05-04-2006 13:21 From: Beatfox Xevious So basically, what they meant to say was this: From: someone Objects that were set to Light material prior to 1.9.1 will be listed as 'Fullbright(Legacy)' Correct? I beleive that is what they ment to say. That is how it works. _____________________ Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite. Islanded between the arms, the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main river. - Cyril Connolly Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence. - James Nachtwey
Harris Hare Second Life Resident Join date: 5 Nov 2004 Posts: 301	05-04-2006 13:50 It also means that if you change said legacy objects to any other material, they can never be changed back to "Fullbright (legacy)". Might be fun to keep a few of these objects around for posterity.
Beatfox Xevious is THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE Join date: 1 Jun 2004 Posts: 879	05-04-2006 16:09 From: Harris Hare It also means that if you change said legacy objects to any other material, they can never be changed back to "Fullbright (legacy)". Might be fun to keep a few of these objects around for posterity. Actually, the note says they can be changed to this value via script... which seems a bit odd, IMHO. o_O _____________________ My Beatworks: Zephyr Chimes wind chimes, the KanaMaster Japanese kana tutor, and the FREE Invisibility Prim Public. Look for them at the Luskwood General Store in Lusk (144, 165). "You have been frozen. You cannot move or chat. A pony will contact you via instant message (IM)." - mysterious system message I received after making off with Pony Linden
Harris Hare Second Life Resident Join date: 5 Nov 2004 Posts: 301	05-05-2006 14:39 From: Beatfox Xevious Actually, the note says they can be changed to this value via script... which seems a bit odd, IMHO. o_O True. I missed that. It is odd but I assume they mean that PRIM_MATERIAL_LIGHT will continued to be an allowed material constant which in turn will be displays in the UI as "Fullbright (legacy)". I just checked the LSL wiki and at the moment it says that PRIM_MATERIAL_LIGHT has been "removed in SL 1.9.1)" but that may not be accurate according to this release note.
Strife Onizuka Moonchild Join date: 3 Mar 2004 Posts: 5,887	05-05-2006 15:23 From: Harris Hare True. I missed that. It is odd but I assume they mean that PRIM_MATERIAL_LIGHT will continued to be an allowed material constant which in turn will be displays in the UI as "Fullbright (legacy)". I just checked the LSL wiki and at the moment it says that PRIM_MATERIAL_LIGHT has been "removed in SL 1.9.1)" but that may not be accurate according to this release note. Only one function in the history of LSL has been removed outright, that is llGodLikeRezObject (though there is no evidence to support that it has been removed from the VM). Everything else has just been depreciated or axed in some creative way. _____________________ Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite. Islanded between the arms, the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main river. - Cyril Connolly Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence. - James Nachtwey
paulie Femto Into the dark Join date: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 1,098	removal of fullbrights would be silly 05-05-2006 15:35 Fullbrights are probably the least expensive method of "lighting" an object. I can't see fullbright functionality being removed. _____________________ REUTERS on SL: "Thirty-five thousand people wearing their psyches on the outside and all the attendant unfettered freakishness that brings."
Eep Quirk Absolutely Relative Join date: 15 Dec 2004 Posts: 1,211	05-06-2006 01:46 From: paulie Femto Fullbrights are probably the least expensive method of "lighting" an object. I can't see fullbright functionality being removed. Re-read what Harris wrote, paulie: From: Harris Hare It is odd but I assume they mean that PRIM_MATERIAL_LIGHT will continued to be an allowed material constant which in turn will be displays in the UI as "Fullbright (legacy)". I just checked the LSL wiki and at the moment it says that PRIM_MATERIAL_LIGHT has been "removed in SL 1.9.1)" but that may not be accurate according to this release note. Note the PRIM_MATERIAL_LIGHT part, not PRIM_FULLBRIGHT. Anyway, the LSL Wiki isn't always correct--especially during a preview. I added the "removed in SL 1.9.1)" bit to PRIM_MATERIAL_LIGHT since I thought it WOULD be removed. Anyway, Strife (Blind Wanderer) has changed it to "deprecated".
Velox Severine Network Slave Join date: 19 May 2005 Posts: 73	05-07-2006 14:32 The LSL constants they were talking about are constants to switch lights on/off, change color, radius, and falloff. Basically what they're doing right now is changing all current LIGHT MATERIAL objects to a material that shows the change, and makes the prim fullbright. There is no need for light material types with the new hardware lighting which can be edited in a new "features" tab, or as I said above by the new constants for llSetPrimitiveParams(). _____________________ --BEGIN SIGNATURE STRING-- IkkgY2FtZSwgSSBzYXcsIEkgY29ucXVlcmVkLiIgLS1KdWxpdXMgQ2Flc2Fy --END SIGNATURE STRING--

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