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Lias Leandros
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03-30-2008 11:56
I didn't like the rez mod's post at the end of a thread that was there to discuss the details of a 'policy' that no one could find documented anywhere. From: Millie Thompson This is a matter which should be handled by the parties involved, not discussed or disputed here on the forum. There were no parties involved. There was a example of a POLICY that existed without being documented that effects the residents in SL. No names were ever posted in this forum. From: someone Both Linden Lab and SLX have policies in place to protect users of each service and have the right to take action if there is just cause. And the question was how do they carry out this policy without revealing resident information. We stayed on topic and surmised what this policy could look like and where it was hidden. Residents trying to answer a resident's question in the Resident's Answers thread - scandalous! From: someone End of discussion. Outrageous behavior from a volunteer. You may want to re-think how you address the residents that use this forum.
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04-06-2008 07:20
better than that smug tardy "LOCKS" some NAMELESS nit wit used to use!
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Dannoth Dagger
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04-06-2008 11:00
I agree with you. But you know that this topic will get locked... That's what annoys me the most 
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Jumpman Lane
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04-06-2008 13:10
From: Dannoth Dagger I agree with you. But you know that this topic will get locked... That's what annoys me the most  yup. ya cant complain about being locked in a new post but the thread author is right. these tard volunteers are overweening petty sanctimonius bergs.
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Gordon Wendt
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04-06-2008 13:22
From: Dannoth Dagger I agree with you. But you know that this topic will get locked... That's what annoys me the most  Probably true, for the crime of criticizing the resmods, all suspects are guiltiy... not until proven innocent just guilty.
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Dannoth Dagger
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04-07-2008 09:34
From: Gordon Wendt Probably true, for the crime of criticizing the resmods, all suspects are guiltiy... not until proven innocent just guilty. Well... If you can't criticise people how are they supposed to realise they've gone wrong? I am always open for constructive criticism, and I think it's important that a large number of people are.
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Strife Onizuka
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04-17-2008 00:15
I support Millie's decision. The private discussion guideline is not limited to just individuals but protects groups which includes corporations. If you would like to debate this third parties policies, do so on their forum. From: Forum Guidelines Private discussions – the forums are a public area for the Second Life community’s use. Individuals who have a dispute with each other have other channels of communication to discuss their differences or communicate – private messaging, IM within Second Life, or chatting within Second Life. Also, threads that are addressed to a single individual or group are inappropriate on the forums, this includes slander or "naming names" in a posts title, starting polls about a particular resident or group, etc.
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Lias Leandros
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04-17-2008 09:26
Of course you support her decision (circle the wagons). It was not her decision so much as her unpleasant attitude. There is no need for it and it borders on abuse of percieved powers.
This is not an debate about a third party forum policy. It was a disucssion about a Linden Lab policy. The Linden Lab policy that shares resident status information with third party sites as part of the RISK API program was at question here.
We are allowed to post questions regarding Linden Lab policy in the Resident Answers section of this forum Strife. If one of the residents that post in this forum have some knowledge about how this RISK API program discloses resident information to third party sites I would like to know about it.
You and Millie are just using any excuse to silence a thread that questioned a Linden Lab policy that the people you volunteer for do not feel they have to discuss with their user base. If you want to be puppets of a corporation (for free) that is your choice. That still does not allow you or Millie to pretend that a third party site's policy was the center of the discussion so you can protect Linden Lab from questions regarding it's RISK API program undocumented policies.
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Strife Onizuka
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04-24-2008 01:33
I take offense to the suggestion that I'm covering her ass but lets not let that emotion blind us.
Emotion in text is hard to perceive properly, we read it how we want to read it when there aren't enough clues. There was a study done several years ago where college students were asked to write emails about their opinions on some specific topics then had the other students read the emails and were asked to describe the authors opinions. They were asked how sure they were that they had understood the opinions. If I remember correctly 80% were sure they understood while in reality less then 50% understood.
The studies show that most of the time we misinterpret to some extent what people say and I think that is what has happened here. I think you read Millie's final text as having more emotion attached to it then it was intended; nobody likes their thread being closed and that emotion taints the reading of the closure message.
That said, as a ResMod you must proofread and think carefully about how and what you say. It's not a new thing for people to misinterpret what you say so you have to write things in such a way that people don't have the opportunity to misinterpret. And once a mistake of this type is made there are always factions of the community who won't settle for anything less then a pound of flesh. No matter how careful we may be we still make mistakes.
But seriously you don't influence people in positive ways by attacking their integrity.
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Meade Paravane
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04-24-2008 07:44
From: Strife Onizuka I take offense to the suggestion that I'm covering her ass /me sends Strife a cookie pie.
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Lias Leandros
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04-25-2008 02:49
From: Strife Onizuka I take offense to the suggestion that I'm covering her ass but lets not let that emotion blind us. The first unsolicited statement in this thread is one of blind support for your fellow resmod. Nothing I wrote about the Risk API was even considered a valid forum topic by you. From: someone But seriously you don't influence people in positive ways by attacking their integrity. My first impulse was to contact her in-world and discuss this with her privately. I found her profile in search - but the first part of her ABOUT statement read that she would not speak to anyone that contacted her regarding her resmod activities. Such arrogance.
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Strife Onizuka
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05-13-2008 02:40
When I was a ResMod I preferred people to PM me on the forums and not IM me inworld. Having a conversation with someone via IM doesn't give people time to cool down between messages. Bad situations become worse. The slow nature of PM's gives more disconnection and more time to really think about what needs to be said and what is just an emotional response.
That and people who contact you by IM usually want to shout at you.
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Raymond Figtree
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05-13-2008 21:59
From: Strife Onizuka When I was a ResMod I preferred people to PM me on the forums and not IM me inworld. Having a conversation with someone via IM doesn't give people time to cool down between messages. Bad situations become worse. The slow nature of PM's gives more disconnection and more time to really think about what needs to be said and what is just an emotional response.
That and people who contact you by IM usually want to shout at you. TAKE THAT BACK!!!!! Good to see you, Strife. Also happy that you posted to the epic thread. Now it's got truly historic import.
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Marcel Flatley
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05-14-2008 03:09
Furthermore I can imagine that one wants to seperate their inworld activities from their forum job. Moderating is one thing, doing it fulltime because people want to discuss your decisions in-world another. On the other hand, who am I to not support Lias' talk about arrogance. She is a much bigger authority on that subject as I am  Good seeing you around Strife!
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Lias Leandros
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05-14-2008 04:04
I don't agree. Taking what was a general subject that is going way off topic out of the forums and into a voice chat in-world is the wise thing to do. You yourself have suggested it at times when threads were veering off into uncharted lands. You quote the private discussion rule in attempt to claim my thread was about SLexchange and not the Linden Lab Risk API program. I think you feel that if the thread was about Slexchange then it was to be closed. But there have been many threads about SLX lately that have not been closed. If you are not capable of discussing your decisions with the residents you effect because you 'might' get yelled at just leaves you to do and say whatever you want. If I would have PM'd her you would have said I should have written a notecard. If I had sent her a notecard you would have said I should have sent her a e-mail. It comes down not wanting your decisions questioned at all.
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05-14-2008 08:27
Strife, good seein ya  BTW I did think you were always fair even tho I disagreed at times 
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Strife Onizuka
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05-15-2008 12:38
Lisa, how you choose to yell at people is up to you, I only told you my preference for receiving it. I usually respond to PMs, IMs and threads. Sending me a notecard or an email is a pretty dodgy thing to do, I don't check my email regularly and I don't always read notecards when they are sent... which means I forget about them and likely they never get read. I'm not a big fan of voice chat, I don't say much; I prefer text, gives me time to think about and format what I'm saying.
I'm not an active moderator at present, I don't know what is and isn't getting moderated. It would be improper of me to comment on threads that I don't know the moderation status of. That said, two or more wrongs don't make a right, the status of other threads is of little importance for determining if a thread is in the wrong or the right. Just because everyone else is getting away with it doesn't mean it's legal, it doesn't make it right, it doesn't make it fair. As an inactive moderator I don't know what people are getting away with, I can't say if they are in the right or the wrong, I'm not monitoring things. You can't expect me to make a judgment on evidence that I haven't seen and hasn't been presented.
As hard as it may be to believe, I like to do a good job; as a moderator that meant not abusing the power. I derive enjoyment from doing a good job and being respected for it. While my record is not without the occasional blemishes they are by and large minor incidents, I believe my record shows that I treated people fairly and listened to then even when they were shouting, that I gave people the benefit of the doubt even when it was obvious they were just trying to cause trouble.
One of the core truths I recognize is this: A griefer is only a griefer if they cause grief, a troll is only a troll if they troll. We all have the potential to cause problems for others, that doesn't make us inherently good or bad. A griefer that doesn't cause grief isn't a griefer, a troll that doesn't troll isn't a troll. If you can get a person to stop trolling or griefing, that is better then banning them.
The only way for a war to be truly won is if both sides are convinced there isn't a need to fight. That is an ideal worth aiming for. Giving people the benefit of the doubt gives them the opportunity to calm down, to settle down, to decide there isn't a fight.
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Jumpman Lane
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05-19-2008 07:44
i thought they closed this thread?!?
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Jumpman Lane
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05-19-2008 07:48
From: Strife Onizuka As hard as it may be to believe, I like to do a good job; as a moderator that meant not abusing the power. I derive enjoyment from doing a good job and being respected for it. While my record is not without the occasional blemishes they are by and large minor incidents, I believe my record shows that I treated people fairly and listened to then even when they were shouting, that I gave people the benefit of the doubt even when it was obvious they were just trying to cause trouble.
One of the core truths I recognize is this: A griefer is only a griefer if they cause grief, a troll is only a troll if they troll. We all have the potential to cause problems for others, that doesn't make us inherently good or bad. A griefer that doesn't cause grief isn't a griefer, a troll that doesn't troll isn't a troll. If you can get a person to stop trolling or griefing, that is better then banning them.
The only way for a war to be truly won is if both sides are convinced there isn't a need to fight. That is an ideal worth aiming for. Giving people the benefit of the doubt gives them the opportunity to calm down, to settle down, to decide there isn't a fight. ohhhhhh....kaaaaaay!
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