SL on Linux sounds like...

This SL Linux stuff is like BDSM for geeks.

Lots of torture.

Lots of pain.

Perverse pleasures.

And you love it and want more of it.

For the most part my experience with SL and linux has been very positive. I worked to solve my problems with in-world video, not because I had to, but because I wanted to. Didn't really miss it and now that it works, probably won't use it much.

Also, I see FAR fewer crashes than my friends trying to run it with Vista.

Er, yeah...it's pretty easy. Only major hassle I had was trying to get SL to work with scim-anthy for Japanese input.

Oh, you're talking about Gentoo 64-bit, not Ubuntu 32-bit...

Briana, what is it, that looks like torture and pain with SL to you, which is special for Linux ?

You know you can switch off RestrainedLife in the Cool Viewer? Or just use the official one instead ...

Have to agree, but that's mainly due to crappy proprietary 3D drivers and vivox, not SL or Linux themselves. But be assured most troubles are less common than you might think viewing the forum. People are much more likely to post if they have problems than if they don't.

Both, what's a 'pleasure' and what's 'perverse' is highly subjective, you know.

That's what the `--multiple' option is for

I've been torturing myself for just on ten years with Linux now. Starting with RedHat 5, I've endured the pain but always find the pain more intense when rolling over the spines in MS Land.

It's the lack of control, being told what to do and when to do it and the ever-present "Click and Wait". My perverse pleasure is to speed-click around the desktop and bring the bastard down!

SL runs noticeably much faster (as does everything) under Linux verses a fully tweaked Vista on the same machine/s. (I don't need or use voice or video so that's not an issue.)

[BTW: The new desktop i.e. KDE4 is looking real good and maturing nicely. Even though it's a bit dumbed down and, it seems, catering to Windows refugees.]

And PhotoshopCS3, Qavimator and another one, installs and runs fine in Kubuntu/Wine while it won't run in Vista without fixing it which I haven't bothered.

So, "OF COURSE I LOVE LINUX"
I Like pleasure NOT pain.
And I can't live without Konqueror.

I could go on and on and on......

I installed Linux just for the heck of it. SL did the distorted text in the main menu's thing, and so far as I can tell there's no alternate video drivers for it that might solve the problem, so Linux is sitting unused. Well, for that, and because installing Synergy to run at startup on it is so tediously complex. Well, that, and it wanted me to type sudo all the time. What a nag.

If that's the case, you're doing something wrong. I've started using the Windows version for the first time recently, and on better hardware than my Linux box; the Linux box gets 7-12% better framerates and considerably fewer crashes. Another obnoxious bug I encounter on the Windows version that isn't in the Linux version: Voice doesn't always reconnect after a teleport. About 75% of the time, voice just stops working in the Windows version after a teleport.

Gonna be so glad when the term is over so I have the time to flush this Windows shit right off my laptop and put something usable on it. Windows simply isn't ready for the desktop.

Gentoo expects you to recompile the world, Ubuntu expects you to fuck around endlessly with PulseAudio. Neither are the clean slate Debian gives you. There's a reason more developers (including Linden Research) use and test on Debian than any other distribution: They don't screw it up.

Wow, torture is right in your case. If it weren't for me learning about Debian in 1997, RPM's brain damage alone almost drove me back to Windows. RPM is worse than no package management at all. Ubuntu is attempting to make the situation just as bad on the .deb side of things, arbitrarily changing package names and file locations away from the consistent names and locations in the rest of the .deb using universe.

Because of Ubuntu's stupid attempt at fracturization of a standardized environment (the Debian platform), and it's "FSCK UPSTREAM!!11!" attitude (yeah, when was the last time Canonical sent code back up to the Debian Desktop project as promised?), I'm so glad that Canonical is out of money and relying exclusively on Shuttleworth for solvency at this point: Mark Shuttleworth's also got a spacecraft to get off the ground, and it's pretty obvious that when push comes to shove, it's the spaceship, not Canonical, that's gonna keep getting the money.



Pet peeve: Photoshop users who insist on using Photoshop because "the features they use aren't in The GIMP," never mind that 90% of Photoshop users don't use any of the patented functionality only available in Photoshop, and the rest are professionals who could probably spend less money hiring a programmer for an afternoon to create the scriptfu they need for whatever obscure plugin The GIMP can't ship due to Adobe's patents on mathematical functions.



You can't afford to move out of your mother's basement, either. If you actually were a graphics designer instead of playing one on the internet, you could do both.

YMMV, I guess...

For me, it was as simple as double-clicking the tarball, extracting the entire viewer to my home directory, adding Secondlife to my launcher, and clicking it. The Windows version, for me, was just horribly unstable, laggy, and just made the whole experience miserable. On exactly the same hardware (dual-boot laptop), the Linux version is smoother, faster, and more stable. Oh, and the menu bar isn't messed up on the Linux version for me.

when we only have the choice of fmod, and want to run PulseAudio, it is torture....

with the new test viewer that uses OpenAL, its as easy as download, unpack, double click, and it works... at least for me... still have some gstreamer issues, but i dont care much about them

YMMV, for sure

I just saw an article about a new release of Fedora that said that it has "flawless Pulse Audio". Anyone tried it with SL and seen whether the sound works ok?

Sounds like you encountered an oxymoron. "Flawless" and "PulseAudio" don't belong in the same sentence. And with Fedora, do you really want to reinstall to upgrade? Sure, it has yum, but it's no apt. Sure, it has apt-rpm, but it's so unlike apt that it's an insult to the apt name.

We get it. You don't like Pulseaudio. You believe that everyone should go out and buy multichannel sound cards costing hundreds of dollars so that Linux can remain in the stone ages without software mixing support. You've stated as much about a hundred times here. Now it's time to move on and allow the rest of us who have faith that an opensource project can and will improve with age to have this discussion.

*back on topic*

Anyone happen to have that particular version of Fedora installed? It would be interesting to see exactly how it's configured there, which version it's using, and so on

Never mind you can get such chipsets onboard many motherboards these days, or for under $40 in an OEM version from most non-big-box local retailers.

i havent had any trouble using PulseAudio in Ubuntu with SL since i started using the testing OpenAL SL viewer....