Second Life Forums Archive - NVIDIA 169.xx, Shaders & Shiny

Strife Onizuka

Moonchild

Join date: 3 Mar 2004

Posts: 5,887

12-09-2007 03:13

Selected NVIDIA forceware drivers have problems with shiny objects in the Windlight client. These drivers may also cause shaders to fail to load.

Known drivers to have problems:
169.01
169.02
169.04
169.09
169.10
169.13
169.17
169.21

Be prepared to downgrade your drivers if you install the 169 series of drivers.

https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-3402
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-3164
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-3590
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-3744
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2899

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- Cyril Connolly

Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence.
- James Nachtwey

Angel Sunset

Linutic

Join date: 7 Apr 2005

Posts: 636

12-19-2007 23:38

Hi!

I seems this MAY be OK with the newest windlight (17 December 2007).

Anyone tested it yet?

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Drake Bacon

Linux is Furry

Join date: 13 Jul 2005

Posts: 443

12-20-2007 16:21

Nvidia just released 169.07 as stable today. I haven't tested it yet.

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=946&num=1 has an overview of the changes (Phoronix article).

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Hinkley Baldwin

Registered User

Join date: 13 May 2004

Posts: 77

12-21-2007 01:05

I gave 169.07 a go today, but didn't get as far as SL because as soon as X starts it spins up the fan on the GFX card to maximum and leaves it that way. No way I could live with it whining away like a jet turbine so I downgraded to 169.04 again.

Angel Sunset

Linutic

Join date: 7 Apr 2005

Posts: 636

It Works for me!

12-21-2007 13:16

I downloaded and installed the new NVidia Linux driver, the new Windlight, ran it, it works.

Wish life was always that simple!

By the way, same driver version and same Windlight does not work properly for me under Windows XP

The graphic option "Hardware Skinning" and therefore also "Avatar Cloth" are not available (are greyed out) in Windows - under Linux, Perfect!

Thanks Tofu! And all those who may also have helped a teeny weeny bit

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Asriazh Frye

Smart Cookie

Join date: 30 Sep 2006

Posts: 173

12-22-2007 07:56

169.07 seems to work for me as well using the 76116 windlight client. It's just that at 4x Antialiasing horizontal lines like SL windows have seem to pulse. This effect disappears using 2x or 8x Antialiasing. If i go back to the 100.14.23 driver, the pulsing at 4x AA is gone.

kernel 2.6.24-rc6-git1, xorg 7.3, xorg-core 1.4.1-git20071212

-Asriazh

Angel Sunset

Linutic

Join date: 7 Apr 2005

Posts: 636

NVidia 169.07 unstable with SL?

12-27-2007 01:28

I have gone back to the previous NVidia driver.

Both in Windows and in Linux (more important by FAR

) I got the phenomena with this 169.07 driver that the application windows simply vanished. In Linux, not just SL but also opera. * Poof *, gone...

I have gone back to 100.14.19 which seems a LOT more stable on my setup. This first few days I ran with the 169 driver were OK, but a few days later... ugh

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Drake Bacon

Linux is Furry

Join date: 13 Jul 2005

Posts: 443

12-27-2007 16:52

You're not the only one. Check the bottom of http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=199671 -- It's Gentoo's bug database on the driver. It's not good.

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Drake Bacon

Linux is Furry

Join date: 13 Jul 2005

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01-01-2008 09:01

Can you try putting this in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf:

Option "UseCompositeWrapper" "true"

I hear that fixes the KDE 3.5/QT 3.5 problems.

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Home: Custom AMD X2 (65nm) 5000+, 4 Gig RAM, Gentoo amd64, NVidia GeForce 8600GT PCIe
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Angel Sunset

Linutic

Join date: 7 Apr 2005

Posts: 636

01-02-2008 02:37

No luck, Drake...

I entered the following:

Section "Device"
Identifier "Videocard0"
Driver "nvidia"
VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation"
BoardName "7800 GS"
Option "Coolbits" "1"
Option "UseCompositeWrapper" "true"
# Option "NvAGP" "1"
Option "NvAGP" "3"
EndSection

And in Xorg.0.log I get:

...
(II) Loading extension NV-CONTROL
(WW) NVIDIA(0): Option "UseCompositeWrapper" is not used
(==) RandR enabled
...

I am on Suse 10.0 on this computer...

Maybe I need the 169 NVidia Driver?

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Angel Sunset

Linutic

Join date: 7 Apr 2005

Posts: 636

01-05-2008 02:20

Update: on 169.07 the "Option "UseCompositeWrapper" "true" is accepted.

I hope it helps, because my 100.14 driver is also showing these symptoms...

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Angel Sunset

Linutic

Join date: 7 Apr 2005

Posts: 636

Increased stability 169.07 using UseCompositeWrapper

01-05-2008 09:06

From: Drake Bacon

Can you try putting this in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf:

Option "UseCompositeWrapper" "true"

I hear that fixes the KDE 3.5/QT 3.5 problems.

Drake, this worked on 169.07. This is now much more stable than 100.14.9 was, which ignores this option. This is true both under KDE 3.4 and FVWM, both of which had problems. Thank you!

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Drake Bacon

Linux is Furry

Join date: 13 Jul 2005

Posts: 443

01-07-2008 16:10

That was on the Gentoo bug listing. I'll drop an update on 'em.

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Tofu Linden

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11-06-2008 08:14

unstuck the thread in the hope that this is not a burning issue any more!

NVIDIA 169.xx, Shaders & Shiny
Strife Onizuka Moonchild Join date: 3 Mar 2004 Posts: 5,887	12-09-2007 03:13 Selected NVIDIA forceware drivers have problems with shiny objects in the Windlight client. These drivers may also cause shaders to fail to load. Known drivers to have problems: 169.01 169.02 169.04 169.09 169.10 169.13 169.17 169.21 Be prepared to downgrade your drivers if you install the 169 series of drivers. https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-3402 https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-3164 https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-3590 https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-3744 https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2899 _____________________ Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite. Islanded between the arms, the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main river. - Cyril Connolly Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence. - James Nachtwey
Angel Sunset Linutic Join date: 7 Apr 2005 Posts: 636	12-19-2007 23:38 Hi! I seems this MAY be OK with the newest windlight (17 December 2007). Anyone tested it yet? _____________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kubuntu Intrepid 8.10, KDE, linux 2.6.27-11, X.Org 11.0, server glx vendor: NVIDIA Corporation, server glx version: 1.5.2, OpenGL vendor: NVIDIA Corporation, OpenGL renderer: GeForce 9800 GTX+/PCI/SSE2, OpenGL version: 3.0.0 NVIDIA 180.29, glu version: 1.3, NVidia GEForce 9800 GTX+ 512 MB, Intel Core 2 Duo, Mem: 3371368k , Swap: 2570360k
Drake Bacon Linux is Furry Join date: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 443	12-20-2007 16:21 Nvidia just released 169.07 as stable today. I haven't tested it yet. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=946&num=1 has an overview of the changes (Phoronix article). _____________________ Drake Bacon/Drake Winger Home: Custom AMD X2 (65nm) 5000+, 4 Gig RAM, Gentoo amd64, NVidia GeForce 8600GT PCIe Mobile: Dell Inspiron E1505 (Core Duo 1.6GHz, 1 gig RAM, Gentoo x86, NVidia GeForce Go 7300 PCIe) Backup: iMac (Core 2 Duo 2.4GHz, 4 gig RAM, ATI Radeon HD 2400, MacOS X Leopard) Don't Ask: Asus EeePC 900A (Atom 1.6Ghz, 1 gig RAM, Intel graphics, Gentoo x86)
Hinkley Baldwin Registered User Join date: 13 May 2004 Posts: 77	12-21-2007 01:05 I gave 169.07 a go today, but didn't get as far as SL because as soon as X starts it spins up the fan on the GFX card to maximum and leaves it that way. No way I could live with it whining away like a jet turbine so I downgraded to 169.04 again.
Angel Sunset Linutic Join date: 7 Apr 2005 Posts: 636	It Works for me! 12-21-2007 13:16 I downloaded and installed the new NVidia Linux driver, the new Windlight, ran it, it works. Wish life was always that simple! By the way, same driver version and same Windlight does not work properly for me under Windows XP The graphic option "Hardware Skinning" and therefore also "Avatar Cloth" are not available (are greyed out) in Windows - under Linux, Perfect! Thanks Tofu! And all those who may also have helped a teeny weeny bit _____________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kubuntu Intrepid 8.10, KDE, linux 2.6.27-11, X.Org 11.0, server glx vendor: NVIDIA Corporation, server glx version: 1.5.2, OpenGL vendor: NVIDIA Corporation, OpenGL renderer: GeForce 9800 GTX+/PCI/SSE2, OpenGL version: 3.0.0 NVIDIA 180.29, glu version: 1.3, NVidia GEForce 9800 GTX+ 512 MB, Intel Core 2 Duo, Mem: 3371368k , Swap: 2570360k
Asriazh Frye Smart Cookie Join date: 30 Sep 2006 Posts: 173	12-22-2007 07:56 169.07 seems to work for me as well using the 76116 windlight client. It's just that at 4x Antialiasing horizontal lines like SL windows have seem to pulse. This effect disappears using 2x or 8x Antialiasing. If i go back to the 100.14.23 driver, the pulsing at 4x AA is gone. kernel 2.6.24-rc6-git1, xorg 7.3, xorg-core 1.4.1-git20071212 -Asriazh
Angel Sunset Linutic Join date: 7 Apr 2005 Posts: 636	NVidia 169.07 unstable with SL? 12-27-2007 01:28 I have gone back to the previous NVidia driver. Both in Windows and in Linux (more important by FAR ) I got the phenomena with this 169.07 driver that the application windows simply vanished. In Linux, not just SL but also opera. * Poof *, gone... I have gone back to 100.14.19 which seems a LOT more stable on my setup. This first few days I ran with the 169 driver were OK, but a few days later... ugh _____________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kubuntu Intrepid 8.10, KDE, linux 2.6.27-11, X.Org 11.0, server glx vendor: NVIDIA Corporation, server glx version: 1.5.2, OpenGL vendor: NVIDIA Corporation, OpenGL renderer: GeForce 9800 GTX+/PCI/SSE2, OpenGL version: 3.0.0 NVIDIA 180.29, glu version: 1.3, NVidia GEForce 9800 GTX+ 512 MB, Intel Core 2 Duo, Mem: 3371368k , Swap: 2570360k
Drake Bacon Linux is Furry Join date: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 443	12-27-2007 16:52 You're not the only one. Check the bottom of http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=199671 -- It's Gentoo's bug database on the driver. It's not good. _____________________ Drake Bacon/Drake Winger Home: Custom AMD X2 (65nm) 5000+, 4 Gig RAM, Gentoo amd64, NVidia GeForce 8600GT PCIe Mobile: Dell Inspiron E1505 (Core Duo 1.6GHz, 1 gig RAM, Gentoo x86, NVidia GeForce Go 7300 PCIe) Backup: iMac (Core 2 Duo 2.4GHz, 4 gig RAM, ATI Radeon HD 2400, MacOS X Leopard) Don't Ask: Asus EeePC 900A (Atom 1.6Ghz, 1 gig RAM, Intel graphics, Gentoo x86)
Drake Bacon Linux is Furry Join date: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 443	01-01-2008 09:01 Can you try putting this in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf: Option "UseCompositeWrapper" "true" I hear that fixes the KDE 3.5/QT 3.5 problems. _____________________ Drake Bacon/Drake Winger Home: Custom AMD X2 (65nm) 5000+, 4 Gig RAM, Gentoo amd64, NVidia GeForce 8600GT PCIe Mobile: Dell Inspiron E1505 (Core Duo 1.6GHz, 1 gig RAM, Gentoo x86, NVidia GeForce Go 7300 PCIe) Backup: iMac (Core 2 Duo 2.4GHz, 4 gig RAM, ATI Radeon HD 2400, MacOS X Leopard) Don't Ask: Asus EeePC 900A (Atom 1.6Ghz, 1 gig RAM, Intel graphics, Gentoo x86)
Angel Sunset Linutic Join date: 7 Apr 2005 Posts: 636	01-02-2008 02:37 No luck, Drake... I entered the following: Section "Device" Identifier "Videocard0" Driver "nvidia" VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation" BoardName "7800 GS" Option "Coolbits" "1" Option "UseCompositeWrapper" "true" # Option "NvAGP" "1" Option "NvAGP" "3" EndSection And in Xorg.0.log I get: ... (II) Loading extension NV-CONTROL (WW) NVIDIA(0): Option "UseCompositeWrapper" is not used (==) RandR enabled ... I am on Suse 10.0 on this computer... Maybe I need the 169 NVidia Driver? _____________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kubuntu Intrepid 8.10, KDE, linux 2.6.27-11, X.Org 11.0, server glx vendor: NVIDIA Corporation, server glx version: 1.5.2, OpenGL vendor: NVIDIA Corporation, OpenGL renderer: GeForce 9800 GTX+/PCI/SSE2, OpenGL version: 3.0.0 NVIDIA 180.29, glu version: 1.3, NVidia GEForce 9800 GTX+ 512 MB, Intel Core 2 Duo, Mem: 3371368k , Swap: 2570360k
Angel Sunset Linutic Join date: 7 Apr 2005 Posts: 636	01-05-2008 02:20 Update: on 169.07 the "Option "UseCompositeWrapper" "true" is accepted. I hope it helps, because my 100.14 driver is also showing these symptoms... _____________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kubuntu Intrepid 8.10, KDE, linux 2.6.27-11, X.Org 11.0, server glx vendor: NVIDIA Corporation, server glx version: 1.5.2, OpenGL vendor: NVIDIA Corporation, OpenGL renderer: GeForce 9800 GTX+/PCI/SSE2, OpenGL version: 3.0.0 NVIDIA 180.29, glu version: 1.3, NVidia GEForce 9800 GTX+ 512 MB, Intel Core 2 Duo, Mem: 3371368k , Swap: 2570360k
Angel Sunset Linutic Join date: 7 Apr 2005 Posts: 636	Increased stability 169.07 using UseCompositeWrapper 01-05-2008 09:06 From: Drake Bacon Can you try putting this in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf: Option "UseCompositeWrapper" "true" I hear that fixes the KDE 3.5/QT 3.5 problems. Drake, this worked on 169.07. This is now much more stable than 100.14.9 was, which ignores this option. This is true both under KDE 3.4 and FVWM, both of which had problems. Thank you! _____________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kubuntu Intrepid 8.10, KDE, linux 2.6.27-11, X.Org 11.0, server glx vendor: NVIDIA Corporation, server glx version: 1.5.2, OpenGL vendor: NVIDIA Corporation, OpenGL renderer: GeForce 9800 GTX+/PCI/SSE2, OpenGL version: 3.0.0 NVIDIA 180.29, glu version: 1.3, NVidia GEForce 9800 GTX+ 512 MB, Intel Core 2 Duo, Mem: 3371368k , Swap: 2570360k
Drake Bacon Linux is Furry Join date: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 443	01-07-2008 16:10 That was on the Gentoo bug listing. I'll drop an update on 'em. _____________________ Drake Bacon/Drake Winger Home: Custom AMD X2 (65nm) 5000+, 4 Gig RAM, Gentoo amd64, NVidia GeForce 8600GT PCIe Mobile: Dell Inspiron E1505 (Core Duo 1.6GHz, 1 gig RAM, Gentoo x86, NVidia GeForce Go 7300 PCIe) Backup: iMac (Core 2 Duo 2.4GHz, 4 gig RAM, ATI Radeon HD 2400, MacOS X Leopard) Don't Ask: Asus EeePC 900A (Atom 1.6Ghz, 1 gig RAM, Intel graphics, Gentoo x86)
Tofu Linden Linden Lab Employee Join date: 29 Aug 2006 Posts: 471	11-06-2008 08:14 unstuck the thread in the hope that this is not a burning issue any more!

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