SL Freezes System
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Lowe Ball
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Join date: 11 Oct 2006
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01-07-2007 22:40
I was having constant crash problems in Windows if I played Second Life for any length of time. I talked to some people in game who used the Linux client and decided to give it a try. The first day I used it I was on for about 2hours and it ran great. No troubles. The next day I was on for about an hour and suddenly the entire system just froze and I had to shutdown manually to get out of it. I also noticed that I will get moments where SL will freeze for a few minutes and then start back up. I call them 'burps'. I have only used the Linux client for a few days. I noticed that if I freeze up, restart, and start playing again. I usually dont get a second complete freeze up..though I will get 'burps'. If I shut down SL by quitting and then start it up later..there is a high possibility of another freeze.
It doesn't happen all that often but at least once per game period. I am using a Nvidia 6800GT card and the latest drivers from the Nvidia site. I tried blacklist=l and it didn't fix my problem.
I have seen that ATI cards are having this trouble and was wondering if anyone had similar problems with Nvidia cards.
Thanks. I will update you as I go.
Oh..I am a linux newbie...so please bare with me if you reply.
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Zi Ree
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01-08-2007 00:07
Hi Lowe!
It would be helpful to post your full system details (CPU, RAM, Graphics card RAM etc.), so we can see, if there are any known troublemakers in there. Additionally, please try running the client with
export LL_GL_BASICEXT=x
or even
export LL_GL_NOEXT=x
in your ./secondlife script to check, if this at least gives you a stable SL session.
Good luck, and welcome to Linux!
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Lowe Ball
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01-08-2007 13:44
Sorry, Zi. I posted this late last night and the specs thing slipped my mind. Here they are:
AMD 64 4000+ 2GB DDR400 RAM Nvidia 6800 GT 256 MB Suse Linux 10.1
export LL_GL_BASICEXT=x was enabled in the SL script file by default. I will try export LL_GL_NOEXT=x and update this thread on what I find out.
Thanks.
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Merrick Moose
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01-08-2007 19:08
Typically a full system lock up is a driver issue and not a program issue. Check error logs in /var/log/ to see if you can catch anything. Be sure that your video drivers are up to date as well.
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Lowe Ball
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01-09-2007 14:50
Last night I ran SL for about 2 hours with no 'burps' or freezes. I added export LL_GG_NOEXT=x to the script file. I will continue testing it and update this thread if I have any more problems.
I have the latest drivers. I would not doubt it is a drivers problem. However, I am playing this game in Linux because it continued to crash out on me hard (blue screen..which I have NEVER gotten with XP) constantly while playing. I am pretty sure that was a driver issue too. If it is the drivers, maybe SL doesn't play nice with Nvidia drivers?
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Paco Yap
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01-09-2007 19:17
I have the essentially same card (with 512M) and haven't seen any real issues with the drivers from Nvidia and SL. I haven't had to touch any of the graphics settings in the secondlife script.
Paco
Pentium "D" 1G RAM Nvidia 6800 GT 512 MB FC6
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Angel Sunset
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Join date: 7 Apr 2005
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01-09-2007 23:58
I have a 6800 GS, and I think the "blacklist=l" is more an ATI thing.
I have everything working (aside from an AGP not available message in the log - the AGP Button in SL is still active and appears to function) with "blacklist=c", maybe that will help you too?
I must admit, I had to change the NVidia driver from AGP 8X to AGP 4X to get the card to even run KDE, though - but I think that is my motherboard.
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Tofu Linden
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01-10-2007 01:43
From: Angel Sunset I have everything working (aside from an AGP not available message in the log - the AGP Button in SL is still active and appears to function)
SL's 'AGP' option will soon be obsoleted by some nice upcoming improvements.
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Angel Sunset
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01-10-2007 04:27
From: Tofu Linden SL's 'AGP' option will soon be obsoleted by some nice upcoming improvements. Now you have my UNDIVIDED attention .. assuming of course that the improvement does not mean my SL is slower, but more stable  ...
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Tofu Linden
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01-10-2007 05:30
From: Angel Sunset Now you have my UNDIVIDED attention .. assuming of course that the improvement does not mean my SL is slower, but more stable  ... Hopefully faster (my internal tests are rather positive) and hopefully no less stable (at the very least more predictable to support - fewer code paths). I don't know when the changes will hit a preview release - perhaps not for a month or so. I imagine that it will change the shape of our GL workarounds for a while as it impacts a lot of rendering code, but I've been tracking the changes on Linux to make sure they at least work there from initial release.  It will be interesting to see how they affect general compatibility.
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Lowe Ball
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Join date: 11 Oct 2006
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01-10-2007 14:11
Well, things are running strong on linux as of now. The NOEXT fix solved the problem. I wonder what could have caused my problems. As I said, I installed the drivers and they seem to be functioning properly. Oh well, it is working now with a minor fix.
As I said, I was crashing hard in Windows. Nothing I could think of doing saved me from that horrible fate. My blue screen would say something about a driver issue.
All I know is that I am loving linux. I have been wanting to mess around more with my linux system and SL has given me a chance to do it. I have been running linux as my main desktop for the last week. I still need to switch to Windows from time to time, of course, but am loving my linux experience.
Thanks.
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Lowe Ball
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Join date: 11 Oct 2006
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01-10-2007 19:38
Well, I froze tonight. I had no warning. No 'burps'. I simply locked up and had to restart. It only happened once and then everything seemed to be fine.
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