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Laura Rendelsztein
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09-16-2008 17:02
Hi i wonder... are there someone out there that have had any progress in getting sl to work on a virtual machine that runs windows in ubuntu? getting everything to work, especially voice?

If you have had any experience with this... please give us something a howto or guide!

Its my last hope to get voice working. If not, i am gonna leave sl.
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09-16-2008 17:05
Pardon my ignorant question, but is that something like running SL in Wine?
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Crunch Underwood
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09-16-2008 17:05
is voice really that important? perhaps it's just me as i was around befor voice and don't use it much. How does it affect your SL life so terribly that you would think of leaving?

just wondering

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Laura Rendelsztein
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09-16-2008 18:02
A virtual machine is like a virtual computer, its a software version of a computer, and it can run all kinds of os, like windows inside of linux.

The place i am at in sl, people uses voice frequently so i cant communicate with people in that place without voice. So yes i need voice. But i wish that sl had no voice at all! :(
Crunch Underwood
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09-16-2008 18:04
*sigh* so do alot of people
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Bas Banach
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09-17-2008 04:53
Last time I tried installing SL under vmware I did not have much success. A virtual machine is a virtual computer with some virtual hardware too, and this applies especially to graphic cards.
I did not test with the last version, though.
Rudy Schwartzman
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09-17-2008 11:58
The current crop of virtual machine software does not emulate a sufficiently powerful graphics adaptors to be able to do things like 3D games, Google Earth or Second Life.

For the time being, that category of software will have to run under an OS running on bare hardware.


Rudy
Laura Rendelsztein
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09-17-2008 13:36
Okey *sigh* :(

What about emulators like wine, cedega and crossover desktop... anybody of you guys had any progress with sl and slvoice with these softwares?
Rudy Schwartzman
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09-17-2008 16:22
From: Laura Rendelsztein
Okey *sigh* :(

What about emulators like wine, cedega and crossover desktop... anybody of you guys had any progress with sl and slvoice with these softwares?

These others just emulate select portions of the Win32 API and are, as far as I know, completely out of the question for something like SL, and always will be. The virtual machines will, in all likelihood, eventually support the full range of 3D graphics adaptors, though they will probably have to "virtualize" (more likely do some kind of pass-through) for each model or class of card individually, which may restrict them to the non-$free$ realm for some time to come (after they're actually available).


Rudy
Laura Rendelsztein
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09-17-2008 16:38
So the best bet is to pray to god (if you are religious) and hope the linden guys get there thumbs out of there asses and actually do something creative for "their" open source community. *sigh* (like that ever going to happen)
Rudy Schwartzman
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09-19-2008 09:56
From: Laura Rendelsztein
So the best bet is to pray to god (if you are religious) and hope the linden guys get there thumbs out of there asses and actually do something creative for "their" open source community. *sigh* (like that ever going to happen)

I'm afraid I don't understand the nature of your criticism. SL is available for Windows, Mac OSX and Linux. That covers the vast majority of personal computer users, I believe.

As far as running SL under virtualization, the limitations originate in what is essentially incomplete virtualization of physical hardware resources. If you have a complaint, it's with VMware, VirtualBox, Xen, etc., not Linden Labs.

Rudy
Laura Rendelsztein
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09-19-2008 13:18
Try to submit a support ticket for some problem about your linux viewer and you will see what i mean.
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09-19-2008 19:45
As far as I know, no commercial or open source virtualization software supports 3d acceleration. GPU's are in some cases a lot more parallelized than CPUs (imagine a CPU with 280 cores) so it would be nigh impossible to emulate one in software with reasonable performance.

Yet at least. I'd like to be proven wrong. :)
Rudy Schwartzman
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09-20-2008 10:38
From: Laura Rendelsztein
Try to submit a support ticket for some problem about your linux viewer and you will see what i mean.

Well, to a large extent, that's a consequence of the nature of Linux. Windows and Mac OSX are much more well-defined, specific things with APIs supported by big commercial entities. Linux is far more diverse software platform, and that poses a considerable challenge for software vendors. I guess I'm lucky, 'cause I'm a professional software developer who has skills and resources that others might not. But this forum seems to go a long way toward filling the gap.

Ultimately, if what you say is true, that LL is truly not responsive to problem reports from Linux users (and I don't know that to be true or false), then it certainly is a black mark on them and something that they should rectify. Perhaps if the economy gets bad enough that skilled Linux developers become a dime a dozen, they can hire enough to live up to their (similarly broke) users' expectations...

Rudy
Laura Rendelsztein
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09-20-2008 11:17
Here is the ticket i submited:

Me:
From: someone

my voice doesnt work, i run ubuntu linux 8.04 and have bought the plantronics dsp 400 usb headset on recomendation from tofu linden. When i start sl, nothing happen. oh and i have tryed with esd and with and without pulseaudio. nothing seems to work. please help me.


Linden:
From: someone

Hello

Thank you for your ticket, regarding the issues you're currently experiencing when using Second Life.
If possible could you perform the following (Detailed instructions have been provided below)
Then please attach these results with your reply to this ticket.
This information will provide us with a good overview of your system helping us to diagnose this problem.

(1) Details of your graphics card; which can be found by running the command "dxdiag" (Upper or lowercase).
(a) Holding down the "Windows Key" press the "R" key once.
(b) Type "dxdiag" (Without quotes), then press "Enter".
(c) A window will appear named "DirectX Diagnostic Tool" Choose either "Yes" or "No".
(d) Click the button that says "Save All Information".
(e) We recommend that you save the file named "DxDiag" onto your Desktop.

(2) Your Second Life Diagnostic Log File.
(a) On a PC running Windows XP, This file will usually be found in the following location:-
(b) C:\Documents and Settings\<Your Username>\Application Data\SecondLife\logs.

(3) Your Second Life Settings File.
(a) On a Windows XP PC you can find this file at the following location:-
(b) C:\Documents and Settings\<Your Username>\Application Data\SecondLife\User_Settings.


When searching XP you may discover that your "Application Data" or "AppData" Folder is missing. On XP; Open a Window
left click "Tools" then "Folder Options...".
Left click the Tab that says "View", Scroll down to "Show hidden files and folders".
Click the circle to the left; then click "Apply", and then "OK".

(4) A brief description of your Internet connection, i.e. is it Wired or Wireless, Do you use a router?.

(5) Any Firewall or Antivirus Software that has been installed, please include the name of the software.

(6) The exact error message that you receive, if any; by all means take a screenshot and attach it to this ticket..

(7) Finally where your issue is related to poor performance when using Second Life please also include the following:-
(a) Again holding down the "Windows key" and pressing "R" once, Type "cmd" (Upper or lowercase) then press "Enter".
(b) At the command prompt type:-
(c) "pathping data.agni.lindenlab.com > C:\pathping.txt" (Without quotes).
(d) Then press Enter, allow the application to run for at 10 minutes.

This application tests the connection between your PC and our server, saving the information to a text file on your local hard drive.

Should you require further guidance with regards to any of these instructions or with anything else, please don't hesitate
to get back in touch.

Regards

Jake

Linden Lab Outworld Technical Support


Me:
From: someone

Well if you actually read my support ticket you would know that the information you want me to provide you with are imposible for me to provide becouse i said i run UBUNTU LINUX 8.04 its not the same as windows. So ask me again please. Do it again, do it right.


Linden:
From: someone

Hello

Thank you for providing that information.

At this moment in time linux is a unsupported by linden lab if you have any issues feel free to submit these on the secondlife jira.

Jake

Linden Lab Support
Rudy Schwartzman
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09-20-2008 15:45
Well, that's pretty lame, I'll agree.

Did you submit a JIRA? I'm pretty sure that will get looked at and it won't go through some tech support flunky, it'll be seen by software engineers who are responsible for the code. You may not get an answer of the form "follow these steps: 1) ...; 2) ...; 3)...; and your sound should work" but the likelihood that the problem will get in the queue to be dealt with for real are pretty good.

But take it from a software engineer, if you don't provide more details than "I use Ubuntu 8.0.4 and my sound doesn't work," your problem report won't get a high priority. Engineers need details sufficient to recreate the problem to even begin the diagnostic process, and while they (we!) tend to be a bright lot, we're not mind readers...


Rudy