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Arien Christensen
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Join date: 9 Jan 2006
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02-14-2006 11:01
There is a possible problem with someone who is a greeter on SL, I think he is using this position to munipulate SL Newbies (females). I winessed an incident last night on SL that was disturbing to know that as greeter or guide that he is doing this to people. I would like to verify if this person is greeter or not before I make a formal complaint.
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Garnet Psaltery
Walking on the Moon
Join date: 12 Apr 2005
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02-14-2006 14:13
Arien, if he is a greeter he will belong to the Second Life Greeters group. You can check this by looking at his profile. Look him up by clicking the Find button and searching for his name on the People tab.
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Usagi Musashi
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Join date: 24 Oct 2004
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02-14-2006 22:42
Jeska is! It seems there is a control problem going on.......No greeter is greater then another here. we are all equal. There is just a lag of leadership at times.
Arien Christensen i saw this myself with a greeter user her title to get slaves for her group. I wish where would be better control! I aked this person why her title was on she laught at me and said I am one LOL. Now I don`t know about you but i seeing alot of abuses in the greeters and mentors more then ever before. This person was just standing there for along time not doing anything just with her title on in a sex club is all places! Jeska you relaly need to review the greeters because there are alot of abuses going on! _____________________
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James Demar
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Join date: 13 Mar 2006
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can anyone help me
03-13-2006 08:52
i picked a greeter but i cant remember her name...she likes to shop lol that is what i remember
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Usagi Musashi
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03-14-2006 03:40
i picked a greeter but i cant remember her name...she likes to shop lol that is what i remember You can always requist another one if you like.........Go to live help at the top of your "secondlife window"! scoll down the menu and "PICK" "LIVE HELP" there type in a message you need a greeter to help you and you be all set......Let some answer you that might take some time depending on the staff thats on at the moment. Good Luck.If all else fails look me up when I am online........ Usagi.  _____________________
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Usagi Musashi
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03-22-2006 10:00
I like to bump this up and ask........has jeska appointed Tateru Nino as the person second incharge for the greeter/mentors? I don`t want to start a flame waar or drama. If so is there really a need for jeska to appoint a non linden to the post? I am getting very confused in mentor/greeter ims these days and who really to deal with? I always thinking jeska is the one to deal with issues and other factors dealing with these groups, but the way the otehr greeters/ and mentors are acting it appears Tateru Nino is second incharge. Strange one day Tateru Nino is a in the pool or mentor/greeters then BOOM she is at a higher level then all the others........I am not mad, I am just very very confused about issues surrounding this issue. I been in the pool of these groups for awhile and i very happy in them( if i was not i would not be in them ), but know a days things are alot more complex and at times confusing with the number of people in these pools groups. As jeska says we are all part of the team, we are all mentor/greeter with different special aspects in understanding of second life.
Teaching and helping the newbie/and or mentoring the population is at times very hard and time consuming. We do the best we can withthe time we have to offer to the great game. I am very honored to serve in these groups and i plan to stay as long as i am inthe game. Please don`t get me wrong with what i just wrote, I really love doing helper thing on sl I just like to have a little feed back on what is going on. |
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Tateru Nino
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Join date: 13 Sep 2005
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03-22-2006 15:01
To clear things up, I hope (since this is about me)
Jeska's in charge. I know a lot of folks treat me like I am second-in-charge, but this is not the case. I'm just trying to do the best I can for our residents, and I believe that the other volunteers deserve our help and support as much as the new residents do. No, I'm not at a higher level than anyone else. I'm just the same as you. One of (just over) 1300 volunteers. A lot of people treat me as if I were, though, but I have no control over that. _____________________
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Jennifer McLuhan
Smiles and Hugs are Free
Join date: 22 Aug 2005
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03-22-2006 17:50
From the very beginnings of Help Island, Tateru Nino gave her time and knowledge to help make it is place where new residents could feel comfortable and, volunteer helpers had the tools to help.
It seemed that whenever I went there, once or twice before I left for school or in the afternoon when I came home, Tateru was there. If you had a question, she had an answer. She made learning tools, buildings, classrooms and, she scripted things, such as the Comm units to help everyone. She was like the mother hen running around, making sure all her chicks were okay So it was natural that many of us, myself included, started thinking of her as the mother and de facto leader of Help Island. I would say, I averaged going to Help Island two or three times a week. Never once did I see her attempt to boss anyone around or act like she was better than us. I did see many volunteers; greeters, mentors and live helpers look to her as the leader. If she is the leader of Help Island, it is an honor that she has earned. As for being in charge of Greeters, I don’t think she is a Greeter. I have never seen her name come up on the IM channel. She has IMed me asking if I could take someone in-world. However, I have told her and many other mentors to IM me if they needed help. I am sure other Greeters have done the same. It is my understanding that Jeska is in charge of all official volunteer groups. I know that if I have a question, I email Jeska. I may sound like an apologist for Tateru. If so, I gladly plead guilty. I consider her a friend and, she has done a wonderful job. However, I wrote this, not because she is a friend but, because I know that not ever volunteer has been able to work on Help Island and see what goes on there. Many of you choose to take on the Welcome Areas. You have my respect. That is a far more difficult job than Help Island. I just wanted to help clear up any confusion by giving my perspective. Jen |
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Usagi Musashi
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03-22-2006 18:25
The mentor/greeter seems to over lap at times so thats why I mixed the two group in this post...........
Jennifer my point is all i hear is Tateru Nino these days. But my what i am hearing is from other mentor/greeters is jeska left her in charge of the groups during times jeska can`t deal with them. This suprized me because in what fashion does spending all day on HI make you better then all the other mentor/greeters. What about me and the other mentor running around helping lost and totally confused newbies that are all over sl these days. I can`t even make HI much because there are so many newbies asking for help "IN WORLD". This is not a slam on Tateru Nino, but making stars in these groups really gives a wrong impression why peope join these groups to help.......... Oh one last thing i have a beef about.and which jeska did not reply to during the last meeting......which really upset me seeing this happening on HI. There was a mentor/greeter with a desk out with his feet on it appearing to be in lack of better words " in charge and seemly better then all the rest. Now is this the kind of image we want to give newbies? that we are better then them and they "SHOULD" look up to us. Hell no! At times I have sent Im and even note cards to explain problems but i highly doubt she even reads them anymore. I understand jeska is very busy these days and i repect her very much. But it appears she is only hearing a choosen few in the mentors/greeters and not us "deep in world" mentor/greeters. I have been slammed countless times by Tateru lovers in the group ims and inworld just because i say thing that don`t agree with hers...... Now i am in these groups to help not be slammed because i not a Tateru (CULT) follower. I mean come on..... its not Helper island anymore its "EGO ISLAND"... Again as i posted inthe last messge i really enjoy helping the inworld newbies and people that need. I have always helped newbies for overf a year now. I just confused and totally unknowing why actions of this type are occuring. Jeska always wants feed back. which i myself and other try to give her. |
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Tateru Nino
Girl Genius
Join date: 13 Sep 2005
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03-22-2006 18:33
The mentor/greeter seems to over lap at times so thats why I mixed the two group in this post........... Jennifer my point is all i hear is Tateru Nino these days. But my what i am hearing is from other mentor/greeters is jeska left her in charge of the groups during times jeska can`t deal with them. Well, that's not true. Whoever told you that was wrong. I have been slammed countless times by Tateru lovers in the group ims and inworld just because i say thing that don`t agree with hers...... Now i am in these groups to help not be slammed because i not a Tateru (CULT) follower. Usagi-san, you have the right to say whatever you think. As I've said, you're always welcome to talk to me anytime. I'd rather have people say what they think rather than say what they think I want to hear. Heck, if there's something you think I'm doing wrong, let's sit down in world and talk it over and figure out how to do it better. And the same goes for anyone else. None of us are perfect, or immune to mistakes. We can all help each-other find ways to improve and to improve what we do and how we do it. Help me out I hope that clarifies things. IM me inworld anytime. _____________________
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Jennifer McLuhan
Smiles and Hugs are Free
Join date: 22 Aug 2005
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03-22-2006 19:00
Usagi, If I seemed to “slam” you, I apologize. That wasn’t my intention. Nor, am I a Tateru “lover.” I admire, respect and like her. However, I am too independent to be anyone’s groupie.
I was trying to point out why Tateru may have been considered the leader at Help Island. I don’t know anything about Jeska making Tat the second-in-command. As I said earlier, I think her leadership role came from her working for the betterment of all at Help Island. Again, she earned it. It wasn’t because she may have spent a lot of time there. While spending time there she did things to help everyone. Jen |
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Usagi Musashi
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03-22-2006 20:27
Jennifer McLuhan first i like to say thank you for inworld IM to me
second.....the issue here was not about you as I explained to you "INWORLD".......Its the people that are flaming (Me) in Ims and other locations is what is borthering me.. Some mentors can`t even ask a simple q without some of the crabby one bitching at them.case in point last week about a Newbie mentor asking a simple q about a WA landmark....I mean we help each other, and thats how help build the mentor/greeters better. Not building stars......... but the group in a whole. I am one of the more out spoken people in the mentor/greeter groups.Not for the sence of attention but that of the good of the groups. feedback is a Key to any strong and happy group.Thanks for reading |
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Tateru Nino
Girl Genius
Join date: 13 Sep 2005
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03-22-2006 20:33
I totally agree with Usagi there. It's about all of us.
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Sky McGann
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Join date: 9 Nov 2005
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From my experiences
03-23-2006 11:11
Hi. I wanted to put my two cents in, even though it's really not my place because I am not an "official" mentor or greeter. I have, however, been around long enough to see different mentors actions in comparison to others. Without naming names or appearing to be slamming anyone, there are those that help and those that do not. Those with the knowledge and those who don't even know what a floating text script is, let alone how to add or edit the text. (A Mentor actually asked me to show them how to do this.) I've been around - first, Waterhead, then Ahern, now Waterhead again - and have seen Mentors who do little to nothing about helping. Their goal was to chitter chat with whomever was willing to listen. Out of the over 1300, I know a very small percentage, but those that I do know, I was drawn to, because they did what they were suppose to do. Help and provide knowledge.
I have applied for mentor. I have patiently waited and will continue to wait no matter the outcome - because I love to help. I don't pretend to know the answers and have no qualms about seeking them out from others. If there is one person that stands out from a crowd of many as a leader, then so be it. If someone is intimidated by that leadership, seek out that persons assistance or follow their lead. It's the actions that speak louder than words and if the word gets around that one persons actions are great; then maybe others should follow those actions as well. Remember there are leaders and there are followers, yet ANYONE can be a leader if they choose to be. _____________________
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Jennifer McLuhan
Smiles and Hugs are Free
Join date: 22 Aug 2005
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03-23-2006 12:46
Errrrrrr sky.....errrrrr, what is a floating text script?
Seriously, I don’t think any mentor knows everything. As a teacher in RL, I know that to teach, you only have to know a little more than the students.  Maybe that is why I teach the 1st grade? I think the primary requirement to be a mentor/greeter/live helper/instructor is a desire to help others. Using my criterion, you will make a good mentor. Jen |
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Travis Lambert
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Join date: 3 Jun 2004
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03-23-2006 13:32
Remember there are leaders and there are followers, yet ANYONE can be a leader if they choose to be. This statement deserves to be repeated. I think it would be an unfortunate set of circumstances if the atmosphere in any of the Volunteer groups was one where folks were afraid to step up and try to offer leadership where it may be lacking for fear of being accused of trying to 'take over'. We are a part of a volunteer organization. As such, it shouldn't come as any surprise that Linden welcomes volunteer leaders as well. If none of us took the initiative to try and organize, we would each operate like seeds in the wind - instead of leveraging the power of a group effort. In order to leverage the group efficiently, we need leaders. Since we are all volunteers, there is absolutely no reason leadership must be limited to Lindens. As the old saying goes: Sometimes the whole can be greater than the sum of its parts _____________________
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Usagi Musashi
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03-23-2006 17:48
This statement deserves to be repeated. I think it would be an unfortunate set of circumstances if the atmosphere in any of the Volunteer groups was one where folks were afraid to step up and try to offer leadership where it may be lacking for fear of being accused of trying to 'take over'. We are a part of a volunteer organization. As such, it shouldn't come as any surprise that Linden welcomes volunteer leaders as well. If none of us took the initiative to try and organize, we would each operate like seeds in the wind - instead of leveraging the power of a group effort. In order to leverage the group efficiently, we need leaders. Since we are all volunteers, there is absolutely no reason leadership must be limited to Lindens. As the old saying goes: Sometimes the whole can be greater than the sum of its parts For the sake of totally making myself look stupid with the english languge travis let me add to this remark. "welcomes volunteer leaders "you mean are ego driven people that with little guards for people emotions by making otehr seemsly worthless...But insult these "welcomes volunteer leaders" don`t understand peoplethey fail to realize there are others in the group working "AS HARD getting the job done. "Since we are all volunteers, there is absolutely no reason leadership must be limited to Lindens" I call this STARBUILDING OR BILLING.........Why do we need this?? WE DON`T........ "Since we are all volunteers, there is absolutely no reason leadership must be limited to Lindens" anyways? It always leads to problems like we are having now anyways? YOU BET.. In a perfert world travis you concept is right. but we don`t live in such world. I am sorry but all these factors are based on the concept of a totally error free system with NO external problems occuring. As you know we are having growing pains in these helper groups. Like all growing pain problems we must deal and learn from issues that come up. Problem is the top people in the groups here are not hearing the right people at times. But instead giving ear to a choosen few. Even you can`t say this is not happing in the helpers goups on sl......... Just a down to earth view from people that gives 100% each and every day she can to the groups. Usagi |
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Usagi Musashi
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03-23-2006 18:05
Remember there are leaders and there are followers, yet ANYONE can be a leader if they choose to be. Well problem is everyone wants tobe a leader, and they do anything to make it happen. Its happened before on sl and it wil happen again. A group of Sheep simply guilded by the Ram, but its the sheep dog that guards the group.  Hence we need to be lead by our sheep dog and not the RAM..... |
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Sky McGann
Light Jogauni
Join date: 9 Nov 2005
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Great Metaphor
03-23-2006 22:42
Well problem is everyone wants tobe a leader, and they do anything to make it happen. Its happened before on sl and it wil happen again. A group of Sheep simply guilded by the Ram, but its the sheep dog that guards the group. Hence we need to be lead by our sheep dog and not the RAM..... Usagi, I love the metaphor and it's true - for sheep. The difference here would be that as thinking, reasoning people we can call for help from the sheep dog; not run away from the wolf. I believe that you need to have a ram to follow and a sheep dog to protect. Both are very needed. Out of the metaphor. Mentors don't run in qroups. Most only hang out at the WA if there's nothing else to do, no store to shop in, no club to make an appearance in, etc. There are some mentors who do the mentoring little time, part time or full time. Some are very friendly and others who are not. It's all in the presentation. My point is that in SL as in RL, we are all different. Unique. We all add to SL with our individuality. Again this is in my experience and shouldn't be taken as stone. I just feel that those who devote more time to mentoring are the ones most visible, most knowledgable and easiest to turn to for help. They're also the one that get stabbed in the back by their peers when they're not looking, yet also the ones who in turn laugh at the stab and move on without malice. You know you're important when you're stabbed in the back.  )_____________________
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Usagi Musashi
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what ever happened to great mentors like Brian Engel?
03-24-2006 04:22
Out of the metaphor. Mentors don't run in qroups.QUOTE] I never said mentors ran the group your a bit lost in my thought process.anyways The remark about ram and sheep dog... the ram leads the sleep but the sleep dog protects the group... But with appointing a "STAR" mentor/greeter at appearing to be the leader of us is what is complex about this issue. But sitting on HI 24 hours a day ( just a example) doesnot mean anymore is better then the rest it doesnt...........Franky i had older mentors come to me and ask me what with HI? what the big deal? well I explained that its a helper island for those that need newbies that need guildance. Well that is true, but the problem is HI ( or EGO Island ) is at times a a mess. grant you its helped alot of people, but franky after being inworld and seeing countless totally lost and confused newbies after passing through help Island leads me to believe there is a big "HOLE" in the system with newbies leaving HI ill prepared. maybe its the mentors problems many its just the problem of the newbie. But the sad fact is the occurance of many lost newbies and the lack of quility leadership might be the reason. I not bashing anyone I just had enough of the egos in the group.........if i did not seen so many lost and confused newbies I would never even bring up this issue with HI. But the sad fact is its occuring! We need alittle more head leadership. Even if that means bring in another Lindens to help Jeska run the groups she the head of.....Jeska runs the live helpers. greeters, and mentor meeting i believe.........I am not look for problems I trying to give some constructive view points on a few issues is all........... I live this game to the fillest, being INworld is just as importantthen HI is......since there is a large population always in the needing a Q answered. atleast 80% of my game play is for the sl popluation in a whole. thats a lot of time spent dont you think so?! When HI was created it was not for the sole reason for people to just sit on HI all day long. It was for the mentors, to rotate in and out of the island. I might seem long winded about this ssue, but am i really? I better leave this issue alone for awhile. i voiced my concerns and I hope there is a action taken in the near future.......but really. i highly doubt it seen My thought means nothing to jeska and she only take ideas from a choosen few BLUCK!.......WHERE ARE YOU Brian Engel  Now this was a mentor! took no shit but was as helpful as any mentor around! now he is lost in action sad! because he was one of a kind no ego, take no shit ideas. he is one of a kind....._____________________
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Usagi Musashi
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03-24-2006 04:26
Out of the metaphor. Mentors don't run in qroups. I never said mentors ran the group your a bit lost in my thought process.anyways The remark about ram and sheep dog... the ram leads the sleep but the sleep dog protects the group... But with appointing a "STAR" mentor/greeter at appearing to be the leader of us is what is complex about this issue. But sitting on HI 24 hours a day ( just a example) doesnot mean anymore is better then the rest it doesnt...........Franky i had older mentors come to me and ask me what with HI? what the big deal? well I explained that its a helper island for those that need newbies that need guildance. Well that is true, but the problem is HI ( or EGO Island ) is at times a a mess. grant you its helped alot of people, but franky after being inworld and seeing countless totally lost and confused newbies after passing through help Island leads me to believe there is a big "HOLE" in the system with newbies leaving HI ill prepared. maybe its the mentors problems many its just the problem of the newbie. But the sad fact is the occurance of many lost newbies and the lack of quility leadership might be the reason. I not bashing anyone I just had enough of the egos in the group.........if i did not seen so many lost and confused newbies I would never even bring up this issue with HI. But the sad fact is its occuring! We need alittle more head leadership. Even if that means bring in another Lindens to help Jeska run the groups she the head of.....Jeska runs the live helpers. greeters, and mentor meeting i believe.........I am not look for problems I trying to give some constructive view points on a few issues is all........... I live this game to the fillest, being INworld is just as importantthen HI is......since there is a large population always in the needing a Q answered. atleast 80% of my game play is for the sl popluation in a whole. thats a lot of time spent dont you think so?! When HI was created it was not for the sole reason for people to just sit on HI all day long. It was for the mentors, to rotate in and out of the island. I might seem long winded about this ssue, but am i really? I better leave this issue alone for awhile. i voiced my concerns and I hope there is a action taken in the near future.......but really. i highly doubt it seen My thought means nothing to jeska and she only take ideas from a choosen few BLUCK!.......WHERE ARE YOU Brian Engel Now this was a mentor! took no shit but was as helpful as any mentor around! now he is lost in action sad! because he was one of a kind no ego, take no shit ideas. he is one of a kind..... |
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Sky McGann
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I completely understand
03-24-2006 22:33
When HI was created it was not for the sole reason for people to just sit on HI all day long. It was for the mentors, to rotate in and out of the island. I might seem long winded about this ssue, but am i really? I better leave this issue alone for awhile. i voiced my concerns and I hope there is a action taken in the near future.......but really. I was only "born" in November of last year and I am a product of Waterhead. Help Island, from what I understand, is a place that newbies choose to either stay and learn or they can go right to the mainland. I've met several new citizens, who told me they came right from Help Island and didn't even stop to be greeted. That's no one's fault but their own if they get to the ML and can't function. You can't blame the Mentors for those people. I am all for HI, yet on the other hand, not so keen on the Ahern WA and now that it's closed temporarily, I think they should consider having more than one WA. I always had an issue with that place since it's inception. Too many new citizens just dropping in at one time. Too many just hanging out at the WA - which isn't bad, but the lag there was sometimes unbearable. Too many scripted items worn, too much prim hair tossed around. I don't see near the lag at Waterhead - even now, that I do/did at Ahern. And as for order? I didn't see much of that, which leads me to believe that it could also have been policed better. (meaning there is a lack of respect for others there and no matter your title, Greeter, Helper, Mentor or Linden, there's no one there to say, "don't do that" and effectively provide a reason why.) SL is a fascinating and wonderful place to explore, but many of those who ventured off HI, never even left the comforts of the fountain, until the closure. Sorry, I guess I've gotten off topic a bit. I just wanted to say this, and it's not directed at you, but to everyone, that I think it's more than who's the leader of the group. There is usually only one CEO of a company, and many make up the staff. They are the workers all having the same goal; to make that CEO - and the company - look good. If there's scandal amongst one of the staff, it affects all of them, even if the others weren't involved. Instead of bickering about who's leading and who's following, why not just revel in the fact that the "company" is getting good press and not being boiled up in scandal. Seems to me that most scandals start from within. Lets not let this happen with the Mentor group. Not everyone is going to like or get along with everyone else, but the better person puts that aside to ensure that the "company's" interests are kept whole. Again, I'm not a Mentor as I've said and really have no business putting in my two cents, but sometimes it's best to hear from an outsider in order to gain a little different perspective. See you all In World. _____________________
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Usagi Musashi
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03-25-2006 00:07
I was only "born" in November of last year and I am a product of Waterhead. Help Island, from what I understand, is a place that newbies choose to either stay and learn or they can go right to the mainland. I've met several new citizens, who told me they came right from Help Island and didn't even stop to be greeted. That's no one's fault but their own if they get to the ML and can't function. You can't blame the Mentors for those people. I am all for HI, yet on the other hand, not so keen on the Ahern WA and now that it's closed temporarily, I think they should consider having more than one WA. I always had an issue with that place since it's inception. Too many new citizens just dropping in at one time. Too many just hanging out at the WA - which isn't bad, but the lag there was sometimes unbearable. Too many scripted items worn, too much prim hair tossed around. I don't see near the lag at Waterhead - even now, that I do/did at Ahern. And as for order? I didn't see much of that, which leads me to believe that it could also have been policed better. (meaning there is a lack of respect for others there and no matter your title, Greeter, Helper, Mentor or Linden, there's no one there to say, "don't do that" and effectively provide a reason why.) SL is a fascinating and wonderful place to explore, but many of those who ventured off HI, never even left the comforts of the fountain, until the closure. Sorry, I guess I've gotten off topic a bit. I just wanted to say this, and it's not directed at you, but to everyone, that I think it's more than who's the leader of the group. There is usually only one CEO of a company, and many make up the staff. They are the workers all having the same goal; to make that CEO - and the company - look good. If there's scandal amongst one of the staff, it affects all of them, even if the others weren't involved. Instead of bickering about who's leading and who's following, why not just revel in the fact that the "company" is getting good press and not being boiled up in scandal. Seems to me that most scandals start from within. Lets not let this happen with the Mentor group. Not everyone is going to like or get along with everyone else, but the better person puts that aside to ensure that the "company's" interests are kept whole. Again, I'm not a Mentor as I've said and really have no business putting in my two cents, but sometimes it's best to hear from an outsider in order to gain a little different perspective. See you all In World. Franking I was to refering to you in this isuse thank you very much. now leave it  |